If two people get into a fist fight and one has a gun, then someone's going to get shot. Up to that point, the situation was avoidable, but if you're going to carry a firearm, you'd better not let anyone take control of your gun.

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I'd say "nice try" but I don't want to lie. I'll agree that life in prison would have been too great a sentence. Society is at fault here also as can be see in the whole SYG macho appeal.

GZ deserves, IMO, about 3 years of HARRRD labor for him to reflect on the error of his ways and to make a man out of him. He blew it in a big way. Nothing he did that night would be something one would put on a job application, assuming the event had not become common knowledge.

He created a problem where there was none, and created a problem that he ultimately proved to be incapable of resolving well. I was in plenty of scrapes in the inner city when I drove cab. One night I got out of the cab with my state trooper, steel 5 D cell flashlight and brandished it at a black man who had just been my passenger. Wasn't the best spot, about two car lengths into an alley of some sort. I was approx. 30, in decent shape, he maybe 45 to 50, not weak but not big either. He owed me $8 on the fair and was trying to do the 'you got change for a $50?' thing. Not showing me a fifty, just going on about how he had the money but (some endless scamming crap).

He was talking about 'oh man, would I do something like that outside my Mother's house?' As another younger black man walked by I said 'You better hope that's not your mother's house!' My meaning being that you'd have to be a real $h!t to use your mother's good name like that. The other guy eyed us warily and walked on. Clear to me that he saw the guy's obvious scammer posture. That routine is common in the black inner city in that day - I got it regularly.

I didn't get the money but I did have the satisfaction of telling the fool off. Point being, you choose your fights well and stand up when it makes sense and choose restraint when that makes more sense.

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According to FL law if you believe your life is in danger you are allowed to use force to stop your death.
By your own admission GZ is not guilty of breaking the law he was charged with.

If you are a wimp then the law does not apply to you?

Wimps turn your stomach- or just wimps which have the intention to stop further criminals?
Care to prove this allegation? It certainly was not proven in court, nor to anyone else.

Yeah, Z may very well have followed the kid when he shouldn't have. By the same token, the punk could have easily just walked away. Legally what led to the scuffle has nothing to do with whether or not Z felt that his life was being threatened while actually in the scuffle. His perception of danger is all that counted as far as what the jury is supposed to consider.

If Martin was pounding his head against the ground that's not a trivial thing. In an MMA Match, the referees do not allow the head to be pounded against the floor. If the recipient lays their head back so that it is being directly pounded against the floor they stop that.

I don't doubt that Z is a wimp. I don't know him. It doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not he thought his life was in danger.

Again, do you think Z should spend 30 years in jail for being a wimp.

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Annoy a Liberal, Read the Constitution

Exactly correct! When the scuffle got into full swing, it wasn't Z's gun and it wasn't Martins gun. In the scuffle it was THE gun.

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Annoy a Liberal, Read the Constitution

The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son. And as we do, we should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. We should ask ourselves if we’re doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That's the way we can honor Trayvon Martin.

No shinola Sherlock! Hence, one of the bigger problems with carrying a gun period: it puts deadly force very much on the table, escalates the stakes in a big way.

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Not guilty. Justice prevailed. I'm very happy and satisfied with the verdict of the jury.

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This was already reported some time ago. It's not news.

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How does one get to be this clueless? Throughout history, if a male insulted another male in public he ran the risk of getting his face and pride bruised. You can talk about proved in a court of law to your heart's content, fact is GZ was writing checks with his judgment and behavior that his body couldn't cash. And then his fear took another leap, he figured the kid was going to kill him, because that's the way those people are, not to mention they always get away.

Criminal asshattery. Dude is a puke, the butt-ugly boy for the year. I'll give him this, he's the perfect poster boy for the 'my gun gives me wood' contingent, well represented in our land today.

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I believe much of this to be 100% true as well, Larry......


Totally disagree......I don't understand the purpose that would serve.


In this case, George Zimmerman was found; "NOT GUILTY." That's the verdict rendered, and now the case is closed.

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Me? You gotta be kidding. I never marched burned anything or anythign remotely like that back in my college days when lots of folks were and I am not going to start now.

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Three comments,
first, I agree with Tom W about the need for voice recognition on the screams--I also accept that the expert could not off er any help. Just saying--it would have been nice,.
second, Did anyone ever present a time and motion study? I wanted to see one of those from the first time I heard about this case. Plug in the know positions of the car and the buildings, and the time stamps from the 911 call, and see how that all works out. Again-it would have been nice to see that.
Third, I just read President Obama's comments, and applaud him for what he said. Seven posts above, PC quoted them but w/o attributing them to Obama.

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He's just another little man with a big gun. Once the smoke of litigation finally clears in a few years, he'll fade away, having long since been replaced by the next George Zimmerman, who will no doubt be staunchly defended by ugly-minded men who will cynically disguise and ennoble their hate by wrapping themselves in the Constitution and other trappings of our democracy that they dispense with when they interfere with their prejudices.

The only comment I can make is--WOW! Your prejudice is really showing.

"fact is" Fact is that there is no EVIDENCE to support your allegation

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