This is the first I have heard why they could not identify it.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

... and you are not the only one who missed much of the important facts of the case. If you are predisposed to favor the black minority in this case and you missed much of the facts of the case then you are more likely to shout, yell, burn cars, smash windows and otherwise riot and cause needless destruction and civil unrest- all because you are ignorant of the facts of the case.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, do you need an unanimous verdict from a Florida jury in a civil trial?

Oh please. THE FACTS were difficult to discern. Most of the important facts reside(d) in the heads of GZ and TM.

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TW said he did not know about the impartial voice recognition expert testimony. That is a fact. The fact is that this expert could not identify the voice. Do you dispute those facts?

Oh boy, an expert saying he had no relevant info is a fact but it is not a fact that tells us too much.

GZ is a wimp and a wuss. He was getting his ass kicked by a skinny kid and thought his life was in danger. He was a wimp when he was in better shape (according to his MMA trainer) and now he's a pudge and a wimp. F the puke, he turns my stomach.

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So he deserved to go to jail for most of the rest of us life because he is a wimp?

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Annoy a Liberal, Read the Constitution

I'd say "nice try" but I don't want to lie. I'll agree that life in prison would have been too great a sentence. Society is at fault here also as can be see in the whole SYG macho appeal.

GZ deserves, IMO, about 3 years of HARRRD labor for him to reflect on the error of his ways and to make a man out of him. He blew it in a big way. Nothing he did that night would be something one would put on a job application, assuming the event had not become common knowledge.

He created a problem where there was none, and created a problem that he ultimately proved to be incapable of resolving well. I was in plenty of scrapes in the inner city when I drove cab. One night I got out of the cab with my state trooper, steel 5 D cell flashlight and brandished it at a black man who had just been my passenger. Wasn't the best spot, about two car lengths into an alley of some sort. I was approx. 30, in decent shape, he maybe 45 to 50, not weak but not big either. He owed me $8 on the fair and was trying to do the 'you got change for a $50?' thing. Not showing me a fifty, just going on about how he had the money but (some endless scamming crap).

He was talking about 'oh man, would I do something like that outside my Mother's house?' As another younger black man walked by I said 'You better hope that's not your mother's house!' My meaning being that you'd have to be a real $h!t to use your mother's good name like that. The other guy eyed us warily and walked on. Clear to me that he saw the guy's obvious scammer posture. That routine is common in the black inner city in that day - I got it regularly.

I didn't get the money but I did have the satisfaction of telling the fool off. Point being, you choose your fights well and stand up when it makes sense and choose restraint when that makes more sense.

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According to FL law if you believe your life is in danger you are allowed to use force to stop your death.
By your own admission GZ is not guilty of breaking the law he was charged with.

If you are a wimp then the law does not apply to you?

Wimps turn your stomach- or just wimps which have the intention to stop further criminals?
Care to prove this allegation? It certainly was not proven in court, nor to anyone else.

How does one get to be this clueless? Throughout history, if a male insulted another male in public he ran the risk of getting his face and pride bruised. You can talk about proved in a court of law to your heart's content, fact is GZ was writing checks with his judgment and behavior that his body couldn't cash. And then his fear took another leap, he figured the kid was going to kill him, because that's the way those people are, not to mention they always get away.

Criminal asshattery. Dude is a puke, the butt-ugly boy for the year. I'll give him this, he's the perfect poster boy for the 'my gun gives me wood' contingent, well represented in our land today.

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Me? You gotta be kidding. I never marched burned anything or anythign remotely like that back in my college days when lots of folks were and I am not going to start now.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Remember his tirade against Kerry when Kerry stated that he was considering buying an old Suburban to tow a sailboat?

Yes, my friend William gets a bit carried away at times.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

At least I don't opine my views when I don't know the facts; and PC has made more ridiculous statements in the last 24 hours than my nearly 10 years here. And those are just the statements I can see when other quote him.

And I enjoyed your reaction to them.

So, when you projected an array of unflattering characteristics to Kerry when all he stated was that he wanted to buy a used Suburban to tow a sailboat, that opinion was solidly based on facts that you knew about Kerry, correct?

In case you've forgotten, your foam-flecked rant starts on post #25: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/open-discussion/337798-suburban-diesels-2.html

Now that this distasteful matter has been handled, back to the topic.