Oh please. THE FACTS were difficult to discern. Most of the important facts reside(d) in the heads of GZ and TM.

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TW said he did not know about the impartial voice recognition expert testimony. That is a fact. The fact is that this expert could not identify the voice. Do you dispute those facts?

Oh boy, an expert saying he had no relevant info is a fact but it is not a fact that tells us too much.

GZ is a wimp and a wuss. He was getting his ass kicked by a skinny kid and thought his life was in danger. He was a wimp when he was in better shape (according to his MMA trainer) and now he's a pudge and a wimp. F the puke, he turns my stomach.

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So he deserved to go to jail for most of the rest of us life because he is a wimp?

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I'd say "nice try" but I don't want to lie. I'll agree that life in prison would have been too great a sentence. Society is at fault here also as can be see in the whole SYG macho appeal.

GZ deserves, IMO, about 3 years of HARRRD labor for him to reflect on the error of his ways and to make a man out of him. He blew it in a big way. Nothing he did that night would be something one would put on a job application, assuming the event had not become common knowledge.

He created a problem where there was none, and created a problem that he ultimately proved to be incapable of resolving well. I was in plenty of scrapes in the inner city when I drove cab. One night I got out of the cab with my state trooper, steel 5 D cell flashlight and brandished it at a black man who had just been my passenger. Wasn't the best spot, about two car lengths into an alley of some sort. I was approx. 30, in decent shape, he maybe 45 to 50, not weak but not big either. He owed me $8 on the fair and was trying to do the 'you got change for a $50?' thing. Not showing me a fifty, just going on about how he had the money but (some endless scamming crap).

He was talking about 'oh man, would I do something like that outside my Mother's house?' As another younger black man walked by I said 'You better hope that's not your mother's house!' My meaning being that you'd have to be a real $h!t to use your mother's good name like that. The other guy eyed us warily and walked on. Clear to me that he saw the guy's obvious scammer posture. That routine is common in the black inner city in that day - I got it regularly.

I didn't get the money but I did have the satisfaction of telling the fool off. Point being, you choose your fights well and stand up when it makes sense and choose restraint when that makes more sense.

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According to FL law if you believe your life is in danger you are allowed to use force to stop your death.
By your own admission GZ is not guilty of breaking the law he was charged with.

If you are a wimp then the law does not apply to you?

Wimps turn your stomach- or just wimps which have the intention to stop further criminals?
Care to prove this allegation? It certainly was not proven in court, nor to anyone else.

How does one get to be this clueless? Throughout history, if a male insulted another male in public he ran the risk of getting his face and pride bruised. You can talk about proved in a court of law to your heart's content, fact is GZ was writing checks with his judgment and behavior that his body couldn't cash. And then his fear took another leap, he figured the kid was going to kill him, because that's the way those people are, not to mention they always get away.

Criminal asshattery. Dude is a puke, the butt-ugly boy for the year. I'll give him this, he's the perfect poster boy for the 'my gun gives me wood' contingent, well represented in our land today.

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He's just another little man with a big gun. Once the smoke of litigation finally clears in a few years, he'll fade away, having long since been replaced by the next George Zimmerman, who will no doubt be staunchly defended by ugly-minded men who will cynically disguise and ennoble their hate by wrapping themselves in the Constitution and other trappings of our democracy that they dispense with when they interfere with their prejudices.

The only comment I can make is--WOW! Your prejudice is really showing.

"fact is" Fact is that there is no EVIDENCE to support your allegation

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Evidence? What evidence is their to support any of GZ's allegations except perhaps the real possibility that Martin was on top of him banging on his face? MTU says I have no proof that GZ initiated the confrontation. Are you kidding me? GZ spotted TM and thought his behavior suspicious and began to shadow him. He was out of breath at some point on the phone, he was hustling to follow TM. I find TM's girlfriend's testimony credible. It fits with what we know of GZ's actions. If GZ had waited in his car, none of this would have happened. GZ got out on foot, with his gun on him and created a dangerous situation out of thin air.

GZ may have thought his life was in danger but that doesn't mean it was. He also thought TM was a criminal about to burgal the vicinity and was wrong on that one also. His imagination was out of control.

Why wouldn't TM fear that GZ was endangering his life? We have no idea if GZ flashed his weapon or otherwise threatened TM with it. There are no "facts" to back up much of anything in this story.

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Looked like it all started when Z took his cell phone out of his pocket and the perp assaulted him......then ground and pound and poor George thought little 5'11" 158 pound Trayvon was going to kill him.

Pardon me do you live in this country or century? If you are male or female and you insult another person and they "bruise your face" they will end up in jail and hopefully for a couple months. We don't live in the dark ages anymore.
Would you like our society to not put people in jail for assault and battery? Is it your belief that if you are physically bigger and therefore not a "wimp or wuss" you can attack someone and not have repercussions?

Your "clueless" comment shows you are angry and making it personal. Not a good combination for clear thinking, as your post shows.