The only comment I can make is--WOW! Your prejudice is really showing.

"fact is" Fact is that there is no EVIDENCE to support your allegation

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Evidence? What evidence is their to support any of GZ's allegations except perhaps the real possibility that Martin was on top of him banging on his face? MTU says I have no proof that GZ initiated the confrontation. Are you kidding me? GZ spotted TM and thought his behavior suspicious and began to shadow him. He was out of breath at some point on the phone, he was hustling to follow TM. I find TM's girlfriend's testimony credible. It fits with what we know of GZ's actions. If GZ had waited in his car, none of this would have happened. GZ got out on foot, with his gun on him and created a dangerous situation out of thin air.

GZ may have thought his life was in danger but that doesn't mean it was. He also thought TM was a criminal about to burgal the vicinity and was wrong on that one also. His imagination was out of control.

Why wouldn't TM fear that GZ was endangering his life? We have no idea if GZ flashed his weapon or otherwise threatened TM with it. There are no "facts" to back up much of anything in this story.

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Not to mention the back of his head.

As noted above, nothing really matters except that Z was in fear for grave bodily injury or loss of life.

Had Z not shot M, M would likely have been charged with assault & battery.

All of the self proclaimed forensic experts on this forum are not considering what caused the damage to the back of Z's head. Not only was his head being struck hard from the front, it was being squeezed between Martins knuckles and the ground, concrete or whatever was underneath Z's head.

Of course aparantly, all of these self proclaimed forensic scientists are so tough that they can take such a head banging and not feel that they are in any immediate danger. I wonder how many of them have ever had their head beat on? Given the hardness of their heads, maybe all of them have, with no damage or pain whatsoever.

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And as a forensic expert yourself, did you evaluate the course of medical treatment provided to Mr. Zimmerman as an indication of the severity of his injuries? I understand that the injuries were life threatening to the extent that they required liberal usage of mercurochrome and several band-aids.

And good morning to you, Larry! Always nice to see you start the day with a round of insults to several members of this forum. Don't forget to cry and whine later when you get it back.

Some people are more prone to fear than others. The part you ignore in that line of thought is: were his fears rational, at any point in the drama? I submit that they were not. His fear led him to create a confrontation, one in which he had deadly force on his person.

I gotta give it to spd: "He brought a gun to a fistfight."

One major unknown in this drama, surely not a point we could count on GZ to be forthcoming about, is: did GZ flash his gun at TM at any point? One of those, "watch out, I'm armed, you best comply with my instructions until police get here" ? TM could well have had more cause to be in fear of his life. A man not a policeman was following him and (possibly) displayed a gun, certainly was toting one. GZ initiated this drama and played the insecure, naïve fool throughout it.

A weak person with unstable mind might be fearful that the large man passing him on the street was approaching to do harm and pull out his portable manliness and shoot him with it. GZ wanted to be tough but couldn't pull it off with MMA training. Mssrs. Smith and Wesson did the trick, however.

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The jury received all of the relevant facts and arguments and disagreed with you.

What else you got?

I heard different http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/14/alan_dershowitz_zimmerman_special_prosecutor_angela_corey_should_be_disbarred.html

EVERY Jury handling any criminal trial needs to be informed the constitution guarantees them the right to decide the verdict using plain common sense reguardless of what evidence is presented--(and witheld)--or what a defense or prosecuting attorney tells them they must do.

They DONT have to be some unwitting tool of so called "justice".

Oh. You have proof that they were unthinking automatons, correct?

Yeah, I've got a gun so let's get in a fist fight.

I've seen some stupid people with guns but I've never seen or heard of THAT stupid. Is that how you think it went down? Really? Let's take a poll and guess how many agree with you....

It's hard to know what happened. There is a good chance that TM became aware of the gun but jumped on GZ before he had the chance to wield it.

OTOH, it seems unlikely that TM wouldn't have been going for the gun, pinning the gun from the git-go if he knew where it was or if it was there period.

Point is, it never would have been more than a fistfight if Z hadn't brought the gun. He brought the deadly force.

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Not the point at all- who is stupid enough to let someone you are suspicious of get close enough to break your nose when you have a gun?

Like I said- I've seen some stupid people- but that is not a likely explanation. Possible? yes. Probable? NO. You know it as well but your passion for "black justice" (or whatever you want to call it)is clouding your logic and making your anger greater. Not a good combination when seeking reality.

A good friend of mine has a goofus son who did pretty much that...went to a bar packing, got liquored up, got into a fight, drew his gun on the bouncer and did a couple of years in the pokey over it....lucky for him he didn't shoot anybody.

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