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Old 07-15-2013, 10:18 PM
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None of these things would have happened if when asked "who are you?" Trayvon has simply said, "Hi, Im Trayvon Martin, My step dad lives here and I am walking back to his house" In a neighborhood that had 13 robberies ALL COMMITTED BY YOUNG BLACK MEN, in 8 months, it is not unreasonable for the local neighborhood watch to ask a question. It is unreasonable for that question to be met by a sucker punch and a MMA beatdown. I guess the lesson here is If your going to beat up the little hispanic guy, make sure hes unarmed first.

..this may or may be an accurate assessment of what transpired....we will never know

If Zimmerman approached a white guy and the fore mentioned robberies were performed by white guys would that be racism on part of Zimmerman, what if they were Asian and the crimes were committed by Asians, same question....
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:00 AM
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None of these things would have happened if when asked "who are you?" Trayvon has simply said, "Hi, Im Trayvon Martin, My step dad lives here and I am walking back to his house" In a neighborhood that had 13 robberies ALL COMMITTED BY YOUNG BLACK MEN, in 8 months, it is not unreasonable for the local neighborhood watch to ask a question. It is unreasonable for that question to be met by a sucker punch and a MMA beatdown. I guess the lesson here is If your going to beat up the little hispanic guy, make sure hes unarmed first.

..this may or may be an accurate assessment of what transpired....we will never know

If Zimmerman approached a white guy and the fore mentioned robberies were performed by white guys would that be racism on part of Zimmerman, what if they were Asian and the crimes were committed by Asians, same question....
1. do they really know all the robberies were committed by black men? Seems unlikely that would be a known fact.
2. How do you know what Z said to TM?
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:56 AM
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None of these things would have happened if when asked "who are you?" Trayvon has simply said, "Hi, Im Trayvon Martin, My step dad lives here and I am walking back to his house" In a neighborhood that had 13 robberies ALL COMMITTED BY YOUNG BLACK MEN, in 8 months, it is not unreasonable for the local neighborhood watch to ask a question. It is unreasonable for that question to be met by a sucker punch and a MMA beatdown. I guess the lesson here is If your going to beat up the little hispanic guy, make sure hes unarmed first.

..this may or may be an accurate assessment of what transpired....we will never know

If Zimmerman approached a white guy and the fore mentioned robberies were performed by white guys would that be racism on part of Zimmerman, what if they were Asian and the crimes were committed by Asians, same question....
The "little" Zimmerman outweighed TM by 29#.
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The "little" Zimmerman outweighed TM by 29#.
Whats your point?
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:12 AM
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Whats your point?
That zim was not smaller than TM.
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That zim was not smaller than TM.
He is shorter but heavier than Martin was, with the difference that Martin appeared to be a relatively fit teenager, and Zimmerman, when he wasn't in the throes of his Bruce Lee delusion, appeared to have an intimate relationship with the entire Sara Lee baked products line...
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:39 AM
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He is shorter but heavier than Martin was, with the difference that Martin appeared to be a relatively fit teenager, and Zimmerman, when he wasn't in the throes of his Bruce Lee delusion, appeared to have an intimate relationship with the entire Sara Lee baked products line...
I am trying to remember the earlier photos of GZ.....seems he was not as heavy back then as compared to today. But I doubt that his life has had much physical activity since that night. And I would imagine that now he has daily threats which keep the blood pressure elevated.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:13 PM
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He is shorter but heavier than Martin was, with the difference that Martin appeared to be a relatively fit teenager, and Zimmerman, when he wasn't in the throes of his Bruce Lee delusion, appeared to have an intimate relationship with the entire Sara Lee baked products line...
We truly don't know the condition of either of them, do we? I tend to focus on weight as a former wrestler.

In wrestling and boxing everybody is in their own weight class and the classes jump. IE I wrestled 140 and the class included people weighing no more than 140. The next class up was 145.

Wrestling one class up was not too bad but I once wrestled two classes up and got a dislocated floating rib from the larger, stronger opponent.

From my days of watching professional boxing I can also tell you that the stronger looking men do not always win. Often supremely muscular black fighters were worn down by the pudgy looking Mexican boxer who didn't look as strong but never seemed to run out of beans...(energy).
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We truly don't know the condition of either of them, do we? I tend to focus on weight as a former wrestler.

In wrestling and boxing everybody is in their own weight class and the classes jump. IE I wrestled 140 and the class included people weighing no more than 140. The next class up was 145.

Wrestling one class up was not too bad but I once wrestled two classes up and got a dislocated floating rib from the larger, stronger opponent.

From my days of watching professional boxing I can also tell you that the stronger looking men do not always win. Often supremely muscular black fighters were worn down by the pudgy looking Mexican boxer who didn't look as strong but never seemed to run out of beans...(energy).

Tell us about a well placed sucker punch by a 90 pound weakling.
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We truly don't know the condition of either of them, do we? I tend to focus on weight as a former wrestler.

In wrestling and boxing everybody is in their own weight class and the classes jump. IE I wrestled 140 and the class included people weighing no more than 140. The next class up was 145.

Wrestling one class up was not too bad but I once wrestled two classes up and got a dislocated floating rib from the larger, stronger opponent.

From my days of watching professional boxing I can also tell you that the stronger looking men do not always win. Often supremely muscular black fighters were worn down by the pudgy looking Mexican boxer who didn't look as strong but never seemed to run out of beans...(energy).
in street fighting, it is often the one who strikes the first blow that wins. usually neither side is in fighting shape particularly and is not really schooled to fight (generalization). Street fights seldom last very long before one side or the other is injured, runs away or is sometimes killed.

BTW, you wrote Mexican & beans in the same sentence: may we assume that you are a racist?
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:46 PM
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We truly don't know the condition of either of them, do we? I tend to focus on weight as a former wrestler.

In wrestling and boxing everybody is in their own weight class and the classes jump. IE I wrestled 140 and the class included people weighing no more than 140. The next class up was 145.

Wrestling one class up was not too bad but I once wrestled two classes up and got a dislocated floating rib from the larger, stronger opponent.

From my days of watching professional boxing I can also tell you that the stronger looking men do not always win. Often supremely muscular black fighters were worn down by the pudgy looking Mexican boxer who didn't look as strong but never seemed to run out of beans...(energy).
There was expert testimony at the trial about the relative physical condition of both individuals at the time of the murder.
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The "little" Zimmerman outweighed TM by 29#.
Yeah and the sucker punch the little child laid upside Z's head while he dropped his guard taking out his phone meant all the world of difference.
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Yeah and the sucker punch the little child laid upside Z's head while he dropped his guard taking out his phone meant all the world of difference.

Yep, the first punch makes a HUGE difference.
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None of these things would have happened if when asked "who are you?" Trayvon has simply said, "Hi, Im Trayvon Martin, My step dad lives here and I am walking back to his house" In a neighborhood that had 13 robberies ALL COMMITTED BY YOUNG BLACK MEN, in 8 months, it is not unreasonable for the local neighborhood watch to ask a question. It is unreasonable for that question to be met by a sucker punch and a MMA beatdown. I guess the lesson here is If your going to beat up the little hispanic guy, make sure hes unarmed first.

..this may or may be an accurate assessment of what transpired....we will never know

If Zimmerman approached a white guy and the fore mentioned robberies were performed by white guys would that be racism on part of Zimmerman, what if they were Asian and the crimes were committed by Asians, same question....
What was reasonable for Z to do was to do what the He was entrusted to do by the Neighborhood watch to Observe and Report. Once He reported to 911 His job was finished.
911 told Him what the wanted Him not to do.

Z disregarded what 911 because He was not satisfied with what they wanted Him not to do.

At that point He was acting on his own personal behalf because He was not doing what the Neighborhood Watch instructed or what 911 instructed. He was no longer a Neighborhood Watch Person doing His job because He had already done that.
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