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Txjake · #**346** 07-16-2013, 12:17 PM

meanwhile, the killing goes on and I hear no media outcry or hue & cry from any community.....

FL vs Zimmerman = show trail that is just stirring up the populace..shameful that it was sensationalized....

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Botnst · #**347** 07-16-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by P.C.

Do you think that the gun that Zimmerman had in his possession emboldened him to act incautiously? Zimmerman was advised by the 911 dispatcher to not attempt to follow Martin, but this advice was apparently disregarded. If he had stayed in his car, likelihood of a physical confrontation with Martin would have approached zero.

You'll have to get with CMAC for telepathic evidence.

None of what Z did, up to the shooting, was illegal or extraordinary. The shooting was most certainly extraordinary. We learned recently it was legal.

This does not make less of a tragedy for M.

Botnst · #**348** 07-16-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

My state's SYG law is identical to Florida's, having been written by the same legal scholars at ALEC, who work tirelessly on behalf of gun owners and misogynists nationwide.
That means that I can now go follow people i deem to look "suspicious" around. When they feel threatened by me and decide they've had enough of being followed around by some un-uniformed creepy character and decide to fight back, I can then decide that I feel threatened and pull my piece and shoot them and get off scott free.

COOL!!

SYG was not the issue at trial. Z used self-defense with the requirement being reasonable immanent fear of grave bodily damage or death. No, it doesn't require actual damage. It requires reasonable fear. The jurors heard the evidence and believed the prosecution failed to make its case. Doesn't mean the prosecution's theory was wrong. Doesn't mean Z was innocent. It means that they had reasonable doubt as to the state's case.

P.C. · #**349** 07-16-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Many people have used that argument and it's a good one to make you feel better about this if you are predisposed to favor TM.

Because people predisposed to favor GZ wouldn't feel better if GZ avoided a circumstance which involved the taking of a life and GZ's subsequent detention and trial? Wow.

Botnst · #**350** 07-16-2013, 12:32 PM

^^^ That argument works only if we believe Z was possessed of the extraordinary ability to foretell the future.

P.C. · #**351** 07-16-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

^^^ That argument works only if we believe Z was possessed of the extraordinary ability to foretell the future.

Actually both Z & M...

t walgamuth · #**352** 07-16-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

I'm not quite sure why you continue to argue in favor of a guilty verdict against Zimmerman?

Based upon FL law, all Zimmerman has to show is that he is in fear of his life. That's it. Once that is established, he can use the weapon and not be criminally charged for it.

All of the anecdotal stories about Zimmerman being a racist and Zimmerman going after TM and Zimmerman starting the altercation with TM are irrelevant, unfortunately. Once the two are in a serious physical altercation, and one of them feels that he might be killed, he can use the gun. Period.

Now, all of your anecdotal stories would really work well here in NY. I can assure you that Zimmerman is now in a cell doing 15 years for Manslaughter.

But arguing your points based on FL law is a non-starter and makes you look ignorant of the law.

When did that stop anybody from expressing their opinions here?

t walgamuth · #**353** 07-16-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by P.C.

He is shorter but heavier than Martin was, with the difference that Martin appeared to be a relatively fit teenager, and Zimmerman, when he wasn't in the throes of his Bruce Lee delusion, appeared to have an intimate relationship with the entire Sara Lee baked products line...

We truly don't know the condition of either of them, do we? I tend to focus on weight as a former wrestler.

In wrestling and boxing everybody is in their own weight class and the classes jump. IE I wrestled 140 and the class included people weighing no more than 140. The next class up was 145.

Wrestling one class up was not too bad but I once wrestled two classes up and got a dislocated floating rib from the larger, stronger opponent.

From my days of watching professional boxing I can also tell you that the stronger looking men do not always win. Often supremely muscular black fighters were worn down by the pudgy looking Mexican boxer who didn't look as strong but never seemed to run out of beans...(energy).

cmac2012 · #**354** 07-16-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Never mind that 6 women heard all of the evidence in excruciating detail, and arguments from both sides, and completely disagree with you.

You are fortunate to be able to mindread, a gift unavailable to the rest of us plodding sods.

Have you heard the interview with the one juror that's on the news? She has her POV as do you and I. Juries are the best we've got but they do not carry the weight of God in terms of correctness of judgment.

Your tireless mind-reading meme is as tired here as ever. Zimmerman created an incident that had some danger involved in it and he took the danger to a higher level than was actually needed. He's a fearful pantywaste who mistook a bloody nose for imminent death.

Dudesky · #**355** 07-16-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

We truly don't know the condition of either of them, do we? I tend to focus on weight as a former wrestler.

In wrestling and boxing everybody is in their own weight class and the classes jump. IE I wrestled 140 and the class included people weighing no more than 140. The next class up was 145.

Wrestling one class up was not too bad but I once wrestled two classes up and got a dislocated floating rib from the larger, stronger opponent.

From my days of watching professional boxing I can also tell you that the stronger looking men do not always win. Often supremely muscular black fighters were worn down by the pudgy looking Mexican boxer who didn't look as strong but never seemed to run out of beans...(energy).

Tell us about a well placed sucker punch by a 90 pound weakling.

cmac2012 · #**356** 07-16-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Or it maybe true.

Please get back to the forum after you sit through 3 weeks of testimony and argument and tell us why the jury was wrong.

The juror I heard repeated the business of him actually being in fear for his life. The intangible element in this, the part that really doesn't have a well defined legal code covering it, is what culpability does GZ have for initiating the confrontation, one that he misread from the beginning? And further, was his fear for his life yet another misreading of reality? Fear and courage are intangible phenomena. One cannot say with certainty what fears are legitimate and which are not.

cmac2012 · #**357** 07-16-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Tell us about a well placed sucker punch by a 90 pound weakling.

There is nothing to back that up other than GZ's word. The guy wanted out of this conviction in a serious way.

Txjake · #**358** 07-16-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

We truly don't know the condition of either of them, do we? I tend to focus on weight as a former wrestler.

In wrestling and boxing everybody is in their own weight class and the classes jump. IE I wrestled 140 and the class included people weighing no more than 140. The next class up was 145.

Wrestling one class up was not too bad but I once wrestled two classes up and got a dislocated floating rib from the larger, stronger opponent.

From my days of watching professional boxing I can also tell you that the stronger looking men do not always win. Often supremely muscular black fighters were worn down by the pudgy looking Mexican boxer who didn't look as strong but never seemed to run out of beans...(energy).

in street fighting, it is often the one who strikes the first blow that wins. usually neither side is in fighting shape particularly and is not really schooled to fight (generalization). Street fights seldom last very long before one side or the other is injured, runs away or is sometimes killed.

BTW, you wrote Mexican & beans in the same sentence: may we assume that you are a racist?

davidmash · #**359** 07-16-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

SYG was not the issue at trial. Z used self-defense with the requirement being reasonable immanent fear of grave bodily damage or death. No, it doesn't require actual damage. It requires reasonable fear. The jurors heard the evidence and believed the prosecution failed to make its case. Doesn't mean the prosecution's theory was wrong. Doesn't mean Z was innocent. It means that they had reasonable doubt as to the state's case.

If the SYG was not the issue at the trial then why did the judge quote 776.013 sec 3 as a justification for self defense?

Brian Carlton · #**360** 07-16-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

When did that stop anybody from expressing their opinions here?

Opinions are fine, however can you please get to an understanding of FL law before providing same?

I do not believe your opinion can stand the test of FL law. However, I'm interested to see if you can reconcile your opinion with that law.