The greater questions of unwarranted suspicion based on racial profiling are still with us, in spite of the fact that a jury the defense was lucky to have ruled as they did. The rule of law will be respected, at least by me, I will make no attempt to harass or detain Mr. Zimmerman but damned if I'm going to shut up about his piss-poor judgment because of what 6 individuals concluded.

He has been judged to be innocent of criminal activity. But he was guilty of boneheaded numb-nutted dumbassery.

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According to the transcript posted here of the Z conversation with the police person on the phone, he was concerned that TM would "get away". My question is So what? Did he think TM had burglarized someplace? I could understand it if he were carrying a big screen tv but the kid had a drink in his hand for pete's sake.

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Did you all miss the interview with the star prosecution witness on Monday night? She brought in a new angle that NO ONE has picked up on.

She says that while talking with him on her cell phone, she warned him that the adult following him ( no race mentioned) might be a gay man stalking Trevon with the intention to rape him. She advised him to run.
Of course he didn't run, but turned to face the alleged stalker. Trevon must not have been very tolerant of gay men, and therefore proceeded to bash his head and pummel him.


So whom do the liberals support? The poor black youth who was attacked by a white guy ( who wasn't really white), or the gay-bashing black youth, who was intolerant?

Tough decision for them.

It may have more to do with assumed behavior of an assumed gay man than anything racial.

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It's awfully difficult to retreat with a man sitting on your chest beating your head on the ground.

I don't know. Do you?

If the threat comes from a determined man he may bash you when you turn your back. Also, a lunging man can get on you faster than you can get a gun out of your holster and pointed at the man.

Ideally an angel would descend from heaven and bring peace unto the perp.

Playing "just suppose" really doesn't help, does it?

... and Martin would have run him down and bashed his skull on the concrete.

Just guessing.

C'mon. Guessing is a bad idea. Stick with the facts and deal with the reality.

Happens every day.

The key to understanding is the part you left out -- between engagement and result.

True.

Or if Trayvon had asked in a friendly way, "Can I help you?"

Good luck getting HIM to do THAT!

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Absolutely! All this is true. Z was an idiot for the way he handled it leading up to his pounding. M was a punk for attacking someone just because they were following him. So what? The only important parts of the case as tried in court began at the point that Z started getting his head pounded against the concrete.

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That may be true. But Martin was guilty of criminal activity (assault) and got shot for it. A tragedy maybe. But I fail to see why Martin would not be regarded as the bigger dumbass. In what universe should you be able to expect to assault someone with impunity?

- Peter.

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act a thug, die a thug.....

Not my scenario. The "lunging man" is far enough away that the intended victim can defuse the situation without the use of deadly force - if he opts to do so.

I think that you're missing it. My scenario was intended to highlight that, if an individual no longer has a duty to retreat when attacked, but has the ability to do so, Florida's stand your ground law offers protection to an individual who opts not to retreat, and instead opts to use deadly force. I prefer execution of the death penalty to be the product of due process, not the product of someone who wants to legally carve a notch into the grip of their six-shooter.

why should a lawful citizen HAVE to retreat from a deadly threat? What might happen? Citizen retreats, attacker follows kills him anyway.

Its way too linear to assume that, if one retreats from a deadly threat, the threat ceases to exist. A lawful citizen has the right to defend in a situation, withdrawing from a conflict often puts the withdrawer in a more dangerous spot. Deadly situation, grave bodily harm, shoot to eliminate the threat. In the long run, it improves society, if by nothing else making thugs think before they pounce.

When you are able to determine exactly why Martin supposedly turned on Zimmerman we can talk.

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