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Old 08-06-2013, 08:07 AM
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Clearly some folks think Z deserves the civilian version of the medal of honor for his quick thinking and action to save the neighborhood.
hardly, but neighborhood watch is a legitimate reason to be on the lookout for suspicious people in your neighborhood. it helps stop crime.

Z is who he is. If TM had ben white or brown, we'd have never heard this story. It was spun up by the media and race baiters.......

yeah, shame TM is dead. Shame GZ will live his life looking over his shoulder. Shame the police don't protect & serve any more....shame for a lot of stuff, but that is our world we live in. the bestt thing we can do is to try and change the culture of thug life & crime that affects our young men of all colors.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:55 AM
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...If TM had ben white or brown, we'd have never heard this story. ...
Hard to say whether that's true or not. Even without race as part of the story, having a neighborhood watchman arm himself and then fatally shoot someone would have been newsworthy. The 2nd Amendment can't match race when it comes to media hysteria, but it is still an important issue. Race is what made this story explode in the media, but I think it would have been national news even if the decedent had been a 17-year-old white boy.
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Old 08-06-2013, 05:59 PM
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Hard to say whether that's true or not. Even without race as part of the story, having a neighborhood watchman arm himself and then fatally shoot someone would have been newsworthy. The 2nd Amendment can't match race when it comes to media hysteria, but it is still an important issue. Race is what made this story explode in the media, but I think it would have been national news even if the decedent had been a 17-year-old white boy.
For whatever reason, we just see this differently. IMO race, and a liberal political agenda ( anti 2nd amendment, etc) was the reason for the story.
How many dozens of black youth have been killed by gunfire in Chicago, alone, since Z and TM became a national story? If the death of a black youth had been the reason for the story--there would been dozens or hundred more stories coming out of Chicago, alone. Why does the Chicago political machine hate blacks? Oh, its run by blacks--guess we can't use that stir up the pot of racial tension.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:27 PM
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For whatever reason, we just see this differently. IMO race, and a liberal political agenda ( anti 2nd amendment, etc) was the reason for the story.
That's what I said (except for the "liberal" part).
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How many dozens of black youth have been killed by gunfire in Chicago, alone, since Z and TM became a national story? If the death of a black youth had been the reason for the story--there would been dozens or hundred more stories coming out of Chicago, alone.
You lost me. Are you saying that race was a reason for the story getting so much attention or that race was not a reason?

And I wonder why Rush Limbaugh would single out Chicago along the lines that you mention - Are Chicago Murders Being Used as a Gun Law Optic? - The Rush Limbaugh Show Could it have anything to do with a certain black president from Chicago? No way that could be.

I don't know why the lack of coverage of Chicago murders makes the Zimmerman story any more or less newsworthy. It's an entirely different type of story. Maybe you could explain the logic on that one.
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Why does the Chicago political machine hate blacks? Oh, its run by blacks--guess we can't use that stir up the pot of racial tension.
If the Chicago machine hates blacks, then it must not be happy that violent crime is declining there. Chicago is on pace to have the lowest murder rate in 50 years.Chicago's Homicide Rate Does Not Rank Near the Top Among American Cities
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:43 PM
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That's what I said (except for the "liberal" part).You lost me. Are you saying that race was a reason for the story getting so much attention or that race was not a reason?

And I wonder why Rush Limbaugh would single out Chicago along the lines that you mention - Are Chicago Murders Being Used as a Gun Law Optic? - The Rush Limbaugh Show Could it have anything to do with a certain black president from Chicago? No way that could be.

I don't know why the lack of coverage of Chicago murders makes the Zimmerman story any more or less newsworthy. It's an entirely different type of story. Maybe you could explain the logic on that one.If the Chicago machine hates blacks, then it must not be happy that violent crime is declining there. Chicago is on pace to have the lowest murder rate in 50 years.Chicago's Homicide Rate Does Not Rank Near the Top Among American Cities
Of course it has to do with the politics of the President, and Ron. Liberals always want to be judged on their (apparent) good motives; never on the actual results of their (IMO, mis-guided) policies. Chicago stands as an example that liberal policies often mean more death. There are other web sites, and blogs that would argue your data. In any event, the murder rate is high; maybe not the highest, but still too high. If you wish, use Baltimore, another long-time, democrat-controlled city with a high murder rate.
If murders of black youths were the real issue, then the papers would be full of stories. The fact that TM is still news shows that the death of black youths is not the story--or at least, not the whole story.
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Of course it has to do with the politics of the President, and Ron.
Who's Ron?
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Liberals always want to be judged on their (apparent) good motives; never on the actual results of their (IMO, mis-guided) policies.
That sentence went off the rails after the first two words. Do you really think that there is a monolithic group of people known as "liberals" who "always" want any particular thing?
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Chicago stands as an example that liberal policies often mean more death.
Is that so? What do St. Louis, Dayton, Gulfport, Fort Myers, Pine Bluff, Harrisburg, and Rocky Mount stand as? Their murder rates are greater than Chicago's. What do any of the three dozen cities with murder rates higher than Chicago stand as?

It's obvious what Chicago stands for in Mr. Limbaugh's mind. It stands for an opportunity to smear the President, regardless of the facts.
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There are other web sites, and blogs that would argue your data.
I don't suppose you can provide any links.
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In any event, the murder rate is high; maybe not the highest, but still too high.
No, not maybe. It is not the highest, period. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011
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If you wish, use Baltimore, another long-time, democrat-controlled city with a high murder rate.
Why do suppose that GOP controlled states dominate the list of states with the most gun violence? Are the liberals causing that as well? http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/
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If murders of black youths were the real issue, then the papers would be full of stories. The fact that TM is still news shows that the death of black youths is not the story--or at least, not the whole story.
Who said otherwise?
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:08 AM
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hardly, but neighborhood watch is a legitimate reason to be on the lookout for suspicious people in your neighborhood. it helps stop crime.

Z is who he is. If TM had ben white or brown, we'd have never heard this story. It was spun up by the media and race baiters.......

yeah, shame TM is dead. Shame GZ will live his life looking over his shoulder. Shame the police don't protect & serve any more....shame for a lot of stuff, but that is our world we live in. the bestt thing we can do is to try and change the culture of thug life & crime that affects our young men of all colors.
Z had completed His Neighborhood Watch responsibilities when He reported what He saw.
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