Instead of fixing themselves some want strangers to provide a bed for them to sleep in instead of the bed they made themselves. There is a path to a good life and few who follow it will find themselves in need from the societal net. To those I say we owe them assistance. To the others who wish to give strangers the skinned knees when they fall down I object with all strength. To those that wish to assist others making strangers pay for those that fell down I say you are against personal responsibility and I do not respect that view. I will object to being forced to give the fruits of my labor to one who chose a path- knowing it would lead to ruin and pain- instead of my own sons and family.
TM was on the path of ruin, and he knew it. Guns, smoking weed, getting kicked out of school and fighting are the path of ruin for youth- black, white, yellow or brown. He heard it from his teachers, his mother, his father and from society. I have no sympathy for his path. His path led to his death. Don't ask me to weep, and if you weep I say you are willingly blinding yourself.

Nothing against Hispanics.

It's common knowledge that Zimmerman is 1/2 Peruvian by ancestry.

And more to the point, I have forgotten more about Peru than you could ever possibly know about that country.

I was MARRIED to a Peruvian for over 10 years, and travelled there for extended stays to be with inlaws, and travelled frequently and extensively there, through most areas of Peru except the Amazon jungle, and the far North and Juliaca and Lake Titicaca near Bolivia..

Aside from knowledge and familiarity with the customs, cuisine, history, agriculture, music, literature, geography, politics, religion, and national treasures that exist in Peru, I have a fair insight about what could be called the Peruvian national character, and much of it contains a sharply honed element of RACISM AND VIOLENCE.

It dates back to 1533 when Pizarro came FROM SPAIN WITH A FEW HUNDRED SOLDIERS, all of whom HAD BEEN RELEASED FROM SPANISH JAILS, to conquer Peru - and told to bring back as much loot to Spain as they could, in exchange for their release from jail, and freedom. Having guns and horses, they were able to easily able to conquer the Inca empire, and crush the Inca empire, which was remarkably advanced, though weak internally from a civil war between Incas when Pizarro arrived, and were free to rape, intermarry and dominate the Indians, who are to this day looked down upon as inferiors. Though most Peruvians are (not surprisingly) essentially mixed race, today.

Many Peruvians to this day, like to brag about their ancestors and relatives that date back to Spain, and THEIR racism directly correlates to skin and eye color.

What has come out so far suggests to me that Zimmerman likely had a good helping of racism, Peruvian style, in him.

So next time - think twice about your wild accusations about people who you know nothing about.

Your remarks seem to bear the imprimatur of a hothead, and that of a hot tempered....person whether you are Hispanic or whatever ethnicity you personally claim...Is it Hispanic? Maybe?

And early on in the courtship, my wife said something I will never forget:

"I am a Latina. We are very passionate: And when we love someone, we love them with ALL our heart; but when we hate someone, we HATE them with all our heart."


I think you need to get a grip.

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For whatever reason, we just see this differently. IMO race, and a liberal political agenda ( anti 2nd amendment, etc) was the reason for the story.
How many dozens of black youth have been killed by gunfire in Chicago, alone, since Z and TM became a national story? If the death of a black youth had been the reason for the story--there would been dozens or hundred more stories coming out of Chicago, alone. Why does the Chicago political machine hate blacks? Oh, its run by blacks--guess we can't use that stir up the pot of racial tension.

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The procedural rules in Virginia, like most states, are patterned closely after the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, so the plaintiffs can crawl under lots of rocks. Even if what they dig through is not evidence itself, so long as they mount a feasible argument that it may lead to discoverable evidence, they can keep digging.

Ultimately, though, so far as the civil case goes, I'm sure Zimmy has the basic/established facts down well enough that he can recite them convincingly enough, whether in a deposition or otherwise, and for anything that isn't an established fact, he can simply testify that it all happened too fast and he doesn't remember. He can also testify along the lines of what HuskyMan posted, that once his shirttail was up, he feared even more for his life that TM would get the gun...etc.

Unless something new comes to light, that will mean the jury's job will not be deciding the facts, per se, but rather their first job will be to determine Zimmy's credibility. If they find him credible, they will find for the defense. If not, they will find for the plaintiffs. All of the rest, who screamed, who said what, who was on top, all of that is really secondary to Zimmy's credibility.

That said, however the verdicts comes down, it will not resolve the underlying issues, nor end the bickering and quibbling on the various media sites, this one included.

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Aside to MSFowler: so long as you don't limit the inquiry strictly to gun killings in Chicago, if you want to extrapolate from 2005 stats, there were about 20 blacks killed by other blacks *per day* in the US that year. If you limit that to black males, it's about 17.3/day.

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That's what I said (except for the "liberal" part).You lost me. Are you saying that race was a reason for the story getting so much attention or that race was not a reason?

And I wonder why Rush Limbaugh would single out Chicago along the lines that you mention - Are Chicago Murders Being Used as a Gun Law Optic? - The Rush Limbaugh Show Could it have anything to do with a certain black president from Chicago? No way that could be.

I don't know why the lack of coverage of Chicago murders makes the Zimmerman story any more or less newsworthy. It's an entirely different type of story. Maybe you could explain the logic on that one.If the Chicago machine hates blacks, then it must not be happy that violent crime is declining there. Chicago is on pace to have the lowest murder rate in 50 years.Chicago's Homicide Rate Does Not Rank Near the Top Among American Cities

Of course it has to do with the politics of the President, and Ron. Liberals always want to be judged on their (apparent) good motives; never on the actual results of their (IMO, mis-guided) policies. Chicago stands as an example that liberal policies often mean more death. There are other web sites, and blogs that would argue your data. In any event, the murder rate is high; maybe not the highest, but still too high. If you wish, use Baltimore, another long-time, democrat-controlled city with a high murder rate.
If murders of black youths were the real issue, then the papers would be full of stories. The fact that TM is still news shows that the death of black youths is not the story--or at least, not the whole story.

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Who's Ron?That sentence went off the rails after the first two words. Do you really think that there is a monolithic group of people known as "liberals" who "always" want any particular thing?Is that so? What do St. Louis, Dayton, Gulfport, Fort Myers, Pine Bluff, Harrisburg, and Rocky Mount stand as? Their murder rates are greater than Chicago's. What do any of the three dozen cities with murder rates higher than Chicago stand as?

It's obvious what Chicago stands for in Mr. Limbaugh's mind. It stands for an opportunity to smear the President, regardless of the facts.I don't suppose you can provide any links.No, not maybe. It is not the highest, period. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011 Why do suppose that GOP controlled states dominate the list of states with the most gun violence? Are the liberals causing that as well? http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/04/15/states-with-the-most-gun-violence/2/
Who said otherwise?

Z had completed His Neighborhood Watch responsibilities when He reported what He saw.

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So you believe He was a bad Kid going no where.

But, until Zimmerman cam along the Path He was taking was one of bringing back stuff from the Store to his Dads Place.
T was suspicious of someone following Him; and He was right about that.

We only have Z's side of the Story as to what happened after that.

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Luis is still alive.....

I go for a walk every day (good exercise). Many times there are people out walking both behind me and in front of me. I do not look at them as being "suspicious". If I were to circle around and ambush and start a fist fight with every walker who was following behind me, I would be involved in many many fist fights each and every day of the week. Ambushing and starting a fist fight with every individual walking behind me would define me as both aggressive and paranoid.

Now, there are those who are definitely "suspicious" who need to be watched (watched doesn't mean starting a fist fight). TM merely had to put one foot in front of the other and get to his father's house and go in and close and lock the front door. Or, if he really felt his life was threatened, dial the cops AND step up his forward motion towards his father's house.

BUT, instead of calling the cops and going directly to his father's house, he instead chose to circle around and ambush GZ with the statement, "What is your problem?" to which GZ replied, "I don't have a problem", to which TM said, "YOU HAVE A PROBLEM NOW" and proceeded to do a little WHUP ASS by slamming GZs head into the concrete. A head injury can easily kill you. REPEAT: A head injury can EASILY kill you. TM wasn't messing around, no, he was serious about causing GZ injury by beating his brains into the sidewalk.

Well, you've obviously got the whole thing figured out.

I find it sad that people are becoming more and more aggressive. I see it every day, there is a lack of civility, politeness and decorum that is becoming main stream. They will cut in front of you in line at the grocery store, push you out of the way just so they can be first (you are last, you see). You see it more and more while behind the wheel of a car or truck, they will cut you off while giving you the middle finger salute. It is all about them, politeness and civility be damned. People in service industries tell me that customers are becoming more rude and self-serving by the day. They will get up in a service providers face and call them every name in the book.

We are all going down the sewer hole just like rats in a cage.