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Old 07-23-2013, 10:16 AM
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If it's anything like my old 98 LeSabre that car will soon become your favorite. No one looks at it twice, reliable, cheap insurance & fueling, QUIET, smooth on the highway.

My 98's front wheel bearings failed @ 80k, apparently a common problem. I was able to replace them in the driveway, the only special tool needed is a larger(T45? 50? 55?) torx bit. A made-in-USA hub unit(with internal ABS sensor) was around $85/side. Did the brakes at the same time because they were cheap.

Mine presented as a light grinding noise that I couldn't pinpoint, until it randomly self-destructed at 70mph. Coasted to the side and flatbed towed home.
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:30 AM
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If the tires are newish and a bit of driving does not smooth over the vibration then it would be best to have the tires spin balanced and rotated by a quality shop.

I once had a vibration at 85, so I took it to a larger shop and they found that one of my front alloy wheels was no longer round. A new one was $2,100, so the tire guy suggested he put it on the back where it would not cause vibration.

The results, after a rebalance and tire rotation, was 110 with no vibration.

The secret to this is to have a good shop do the balancing, not a place that has a balance machine that they have to dig out from under stuff to use.

The cost was less than $40, and the search is on for a place to repair the wheel.

This may not solve your problem, but a good tire guy will look at more than your tires for a vibration problem and the money you spend for their advice will save you hours of looking and wondering time.

Experts cost a lot, but that is because they are worth it.
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Old 07-23-2013, 10:33 AM
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If the tires are newish and a bit of driving does not smooth over the vibration then it would be best to have the tires spin balanced and rotated by a quality shop.

I once had a vibration at 85, so I took it to a larger shop and they found that one of my front alloy wheels was no longer round. A new one was $2,100, so the tire guy suggested he put it on the back where it would not cause vibration.

The results, after a rebalance and tire rotation, was 110 with no vibration.

The secret to this is to have a good shop do the balancing, not a place that has a balance machine that they have to dig out from under stuff to use.

The cost was less than $40, and the search is on for a place to repair the wheel.

This may not solve your problem, but a good tire guy will look at more than your tires for a vibration problem and the money you spend for their advice will save you hours of looking and wondering time.

Experts cost a lot, but that is because they are worth it.
A cracked steel wheel will also cause a vibration at speed.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:39 PM
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A cracked steel wheel will also cause a vibration at speed.
Chrome wheels are ILLEGAL in Germany.

Guess why.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:51 PM
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Chrome wheels are ILLEGAL in Germany.

Guess why.
Europeans have better taste?
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:40 PM
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We had a 1989 grand prix back in the olden days. It was about the same drivetrain as your century. Good, comfortable, economical car but I replaced a bunch of parts on it while we had it. Parts were cheap and it was pretty easy to work on.

Change the fluid and filter in the transmission, flush the cooler. Do this soon, very soon.

Brake disks were a little different and didn't turn on a lathe well, better to buy new.

Ignition pickup, crank sensor on back of motor by firewall, no spark.

Fuel injectors lost resistance and shut down computer.

Fuel pressure regulator, memory not clear, maybe surging and cruise control not holding speed.

MAP sensor, over rich blubbering.

Thermostat gasket went out a couple times. Goofy rubber thing.

Heater core, what a *****, behind sheetmetal on firewall. Wouldn't want to do that again.

I had the upper intake manifold off for something, don't remember why.

GM CS alternator is typical US overrated alternator. Don't make it charge a low battery, use a battery charger. Heat kills alternators.

Biggest problem was an uninsured motorist who turned left across lines of traffic, in front of me. End of interest in car, donated to charity.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:53 PM
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If the tires are newish and a bit of driving does not smooth over the vibration then it would be best to have the tires spin balanced and rotated by a quality shop.

I once had a vibration at 85, so I took it to a larger shop and they found that one of my front alloy wheels was no longer round. A new one was $2,100, so the tire guy suggested he put it on the back where it would not cause vibration.

The results, after a rebalance and tire rotation, was 110 with no vibration.

The secret to this is to have a good shop do the balancing, not a place that has a balance machine that they have to dig out from under stuff to use.

The cost was less than $40, and the search is on for a place to repair the wheel.

This may not solve your problem, but a good tire guy will look at more than your tires for a vibration problem and the money you spend for their advice will save you hours of looking and wondering time.

Experts cost a lot, but that is because they are worth it.
How would I find a good shop? Was that $40 for everything done at the shop? What on earth do you drive that a new rim is $2100?
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:20 PM
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How would I find a good shop? Was that $40 for everything done at the shop? What on earth do you drive that a new rim is $2100?
Just look for a larger shop with good equipment. You might do some internet research on the shops in your area.

Tire balance was $10 per tire. Since they had to remove all the tires they rotated them for free.

The car in question is my wife's Pontiac G8. Very low production numbers with factory top of the line alloys means there are not many of them in the wrecking yards. I did find a place about 400 miles from me that can restore the wheel, and since it is an area I visit now and then I am going to drop it off for repair soon. They say they can do anything for around $200 or so, and they have seen some G8 wheels in the past.

My wife was constantly tearing up her cars by lead-footing them, so I got her one that can take it. Her best 0-60 is right at 4.5 seconds.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:54 PM
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If it's anything like my old 98 LeSabre that car will soon become your favorite. No one looks at it twice, reliable, cheap insurance & fueling, QUIET, smooth on the highway.

My 98's front wheel bearings failed @ 80k, apparently a common problem. I was able to replace them in the driveway, the only special tool needed is a larger(T45? 50? 55?) torx bit. A made-in-USA hub unit(with internal ABS sensor) was around $85/side. Did the brakes at the same time because they were cheap.

Mine presented as a light grinding noise that I couldn't pinpoint, until it randomly self-destructed at 70mph. Coasted to the side and flatbed towed home.
That's exactly why I like the car, though I have to admit that when I hit a bump on the highway at ~80 MPH, it surprised me with OOMphaoomPHAOOOMphaoomPHA rocking .

What is it like when a wheel bearing self-destructs?
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:56 PM
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Does saying that I love the interior design in this car put me in some sort of minority?
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:51 PM
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Does saying that I love the interior design in this car put me in some sort of minority?
Not really. It just means you share something with people on Social Security.
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:43 PM
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