Effects of decriminalizing drugs. - Page 15 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

kerry · #**211** 12-23-2013, 10:51 PM

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The comment disregards that People might follow their Religion out of love instead of fear.

Saudis, apparently, couldn't see religion this way.

Diesel911 · #**212** 12-24-2013, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Also referring to repetition of something of great familiarity. "Same Old …"

Perhaps the older use of as a distress call; Save Our Ship is more appropriate.

Diesel911 · #**213** 12-24-2013, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

The only ones who need to be incarcerated in the war on drugs are the evil parasites who created prison for profit and their willing croneys in the governments that allow it and assure a high occupancy rate. Incarceration for profit is a major human rights violation and these ****s should be publicly executed, with the results shown on TV & the internet....

You mean instead of killing the Illegal Drug Makers and Suppliers and Pushers and so on?
Is it OK for them to make a profit on Human misery?

Diesel911 · #**214** 12-24-2013, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Those very same officials were responsible for the anti immigration laws in Arizona and other states. Where there are incarcerated, there's a buck to be made.

Which came first Illegal Immigration or privatization of Prisons?

Diesel911 · #**215** 12-24-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Literally. If Larry were born today he'd be much happier in this world since he'd grow up with gender equality and probably have a gay friend in high school. As it is he's going to live the rest of his life thinking that the US has gone to hell.

I wonder if what Larry believes is closer to reality then you suspect.

Diesel911 · #**216** 12-24-2013, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Gotten better since 1983? In many ways yes.
Are people safer? Yes, according to violent crime stats.
Are people happier? Tough to measure.
Drug abuse? Some measures say it has been on the decline since 1979. On the other side, the greatest increase in our prison population have been drug convictions.

Well maybe incarceration does work until the Druggies get out of prison. It could be the longer sentencing and old age are partly the reason for the drop in violent crime.

Another question would be is the decrease in drug abuse due to decriminalization? If so that short skews the statistics.
I can see a Pollster stopping Folks on the Street and asking them if they abuse drugs or Alcohol.

A different reason less People abusing Drugs.
Drug Deaths exceed Traffic deaths
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Drugs/drug-deaths-exceed-traffic-deaths/story?id=14554903

"Drug overdose was responsible for 38,329 deaths in the US in 2010. US overdose deaths have increased for 11 successive years. In 2010, and for the third year in a row, the number of US citizens whose deaths were drug related exceeded the number of fatalities in road traffic accidents (32,885). Opioid analgesic overdoses have claimed 125,000 US lives in the last decade. Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)"

http://www.overdoseday.com/facts-stats/

"Drug-related deaths have more than doubled since the early 1980s. There are more deaths, illness, and disabilities from substance abuse than from any other preventable health condition. Today, one in four deaths is attributable to alcohol, tobacco, and illicit drug use."
http://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/medical-consequences-drug-abuse/mortality

Diesel911 · #**217** 12-24-2013, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

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The comment disregards that People might follow their Religion out of love instead of fear.

Saudis, apparently, couldn't see religion this way.

I am interested in the reactions to no Religious Law. One group went wild the other group apparently got scared of the freedom/temptation/corruption and spend a lot of time in the Mosque.

The freedom/temptation/corruption is what the Terrorist are afraid of. And, now I can see why.

Apparently at least in this example a large group of the Saudi Muslims are ready to jump ship when there is no Law to keep them from doing so.

This could be the same for the other Muslim Nations.

Diesel911 · #**218** 12-24-2013, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

In the late seventies and eighties there was a spike in heroine use in Amsterdam, junkies from all over Europe would come to Amsterdam for the low cost and pure heroine you find close to the harbor. Many OD'ed and died, not used to the pure heroine in Amsterdam. In the nineties the use of heroine dropped dramatically, most likely because young drug users had seen the devastating results of heroine use and opted for alternatives like cocaine and XTC.

Where I grew up I knew the People on My Street and the next Street (My Aunt and Uncle lived on the next Street). Between those 2 Streets there was one Man who was an Alcoholic (and still managed to work as a Mechanic and support his Family).

None of the Adults took any illegal Drugs.

In the late 1960s there was some Kids (3 that I knew) of High School age (they were My age) that occasionally smoked Weed.
All of the Houses I My area had Kids within 5 years of age of each other. If someones Parents had been Drug users are abusers that info would have leaked out and it would have been likely their Kids would have dipped into their Stash of Drugs.

My best guess is in My present Neighbor Hood there is a lot more Drug and alcohol abusers than in My past Neighborhood.

Skid Row Joe · #**219** 12-24-2013, 02:04 AM

What the heck happened in this thread? Multi-fatalities.

Diesel911 · #**220** 12-24-2013, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

When did drug use become ilegal and why?

World Wide or in the USA?
Google Search = What is the earliest drug abuse law?

This pertains to the USA.
History of drug laws

Keep in mind that at one time People had no problems selling Wight Loss Pills that had Tape Wrom Eggs in them. Meaning there was a Time when the Goverment did not interfere much.

elchivito · #**221** 12-24-2013, 08:34 AM

The War On Tapeworm Egg Pills is a costly, ineffective boondoggle and should be stopped.

Txjake · #**222** 12-24-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

You mean instead of killing the Illegal Drug Makers and Suppliers and Pushers and so on?
Is it OK for them to make a profit on Human misery?

if there was a coherent drug policy in this country and legalization of certain substances, you would not have this undersociety of drug pushers.

elchivito · #**223** 12-24-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

if there was a coherent drug policy in this country and legalization of certain substances, you would not have this undersociety of drug pushers.

Never did understand the "pusher" concept. The whole picture of some sleazy character on a street corner trying to convince people to try something they wouldn't ordinarily try is a stereotype that goes all the way back to Reefer Madness days.
I'll admit to having known a few people over the years who dealt drugs. None of them "pushed" anything. Their customers were quite eager.

hill · #**224** 12-24-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

In the 70s I tended bar one summer at a Discotheque in Tempe that had become a favorite of Saudi and other ME students at ASU. These were all young people from prosperous ME families, presumably Muslim. At the risk of making a gross generalization, I have never in my life seen a worse bunch of drunks. I don't know how many times I used my muddler or mixing spoon to whack some drunk across the knuckles for reaching across the bar to try and adjust the amount of liquor I was putting in his Courvoisier and Coke.

Courvoisier and Coke? That alone is worth capital punishment

Txjake · #**225** 12-24-2013, 11:48 AM

Courvoisier is somewhat of a poser drink.....impress the ladies with your alcohol finesse...lol