Then he won't complain about the banning and is unlikely to resurrect.

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1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Interesting. He probably did have gay friends in HS, if he was a typical kid of the era.

Not sure what your supposition may imply for people with this kind of uh, perception, as it's pretty normal to be unhappy and to blame the nature of people for that. Wasn't it Sartre that stated "Hell is other people."

I was talking with my sister the other day. Her oldest son's wife just had a child, which is his 2nd child, and 2nd wife for that matter. The new mom was not the mom of his first child. Sorry if that's redundant. Anywho, this was vastly different than when we were kids (my sister and me that is) and usually most families of the time were the product of a mom and dad pair. Now it is "normal" to have multiple "moms" and "dads" at family get togethers.

I rationalized that this ultimately translates to a greater acceptance of others than during the era of a traditional single parent set family, and personally consider that to be a very good thing.

Anywho, the idea of being born again is alien to me. I guess it is a way to act out on having the desire to be unchanging in one's views, which itself is pretty odd.

Sorry, making a bad joke on Kim's name. IL(L) no, he's dead. Get it???

Oh well. Not that I won't try again.

I welocome you here.

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This is a subject for another thread. Right or Wrong verses the Law.
I suspect that there is a lot instances where the Law is correct but a wrong was done.

There is more than a few threads on Police Shootings that were considered to be within the Law but a lot of our Members say a wrong was done to the Victim.


And it bugs people when they have been taught something right or wrong and then that changes; that leaves the Individual that believes in what was old way right in a quandary.

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Apparently morality is not rational even though it has a good track record of keeping People out of trouble?

Well what do you think; have things gotten better in the last 30 years or not?
Are People especially Children safer?
Are People happier?
More to the Point of this thread is Drug abuse increasing or decreasing.

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Yes, all us complaining old folks that liked the world of the Past when People where more Moral and People took responsibility for themselves and especially their sobriety; will pass on soon leaving the brave new world for you younger Folk.

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Gotten better since 1983? In many ways yes.
Are people safer? Yes, according to violent crime stats.
Are people happier? Tough to measure.
Drug abuse? Some measures say it has been on the decline since 1979. On the other side, the greatest increase in our prison population have been drug convictions.

Eternity, If you can't do the time; don't do the Crime!

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It worked back in the 1950s and early 1960s. Why do you suppose it is not working anymore?

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When did drug use become ilegal and why?

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[QUOTE=kerry;3258860]The Saudi system is interesting. I had a friend who taught English as a second language for a long time to Saudi males who came to the US. She noted that once they came to the US, they tended in two different directions. Some spent all their time in bars or strip clubs. The others spent all their time at the mosque. This is, I believer, because they lacked any personal moral center. All moral values in Saudi Arabia are externally imposed rather than internally generated. Once the external limits are removed they have no psycho/moral resources to direct their lives. I have also taught Ethics to large numbers of Saudi males and almost without exception they insist that no one would be moral if there were no god to threaten us with reward and punishment. (ie--the Saudi state). This is a clear example, in my view, of the social result of rooting morality in actual law. It produces a society of people who conform to the law to avoid punishment but lack any actual virtue. The are incapable of moral reason and personal moral motivation.[/QUOTE]


The comment disregards that People might follow their Religion out of love instead of fear.
If religious morality results in actual personal virtue so be it.
However, quite a few comments on the various threads seem to vilify the value of Religions.

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If I grew up in present times I guess I would not believe that People in the past did not want to be Drug Addicts or abuse other Substances and thought it was wrong to do so.
And, they sure did not want to become a burden to their Family or Society.
So much for anachronism.

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In the late seventies and eighties there was a spike in heroine use in Amsterdam, junkies from all over Europe would come to Amsterdam for the low cost and pure heroine you find close to the harbor. Many OD'ed and died, not used to the pure heroine in Amsterdam. In the nineties the use of heroine dropped dramatically, most likely because young drug users had seen the devastating results of heroine use and opted for alternatives like cocaine and XTC.

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People can become their own worse enemies. Drug usage can provide an easy path to arrive there. Stealing from families and friends and no working conscience are common enough examples of a moderate to severe addiction..

The important thing from their perspective in my opinion. They just do not care as all conventional values are displaced and they welcome this often enough. Most important is that it makes them feel good.

The government has substitution programs but I feel they do not work well enough. The person still seems to remain highly dependant and negative behaviours seem to remain the same in general.

Many start out as light to medium cases of untreated or not recognized depression I suspect. Initially until they are personally destroyed the drug usage makes them feel better or in other words normal.

Catching the depression early is the best preventative. How do you screen a whole population regularily though?

The best thing you can do for your family members is watch for and learn the early signs of depression. People in good mental health initially in general probably do not engage in drug usage.

This is just a suspicion to me that I have held for a long time. Legal or non legal supply of drugs is not the issue to me.

The test is the normal mind will not spend the money as they feel okay. They are all too cognizant of the dollar and other costs.. Throw in a little depression with illegal drugs the only way to seemingly eliminate it in their opinion. You then have a user that what you are trying to stop. To them is an attempt to throw them back into a depressive state perhaps.

Unfortunatly the majority do not get seen by a competent doctor as their parents do not seem to know the causative agents of the initial period. I again suspect more education is needed by parents especially.

Recognising depression in young individuals can be complex as it comes in many forms. For example if a child of yours or mine is not doing well in school. Depression well masked should be looked into as a cause. Remember you want to deal with the depression before they make a decision to deal with it in the only way they know how.

Fortunatly depression can pass with todays medications and the individual rebalances to normal before any serious damage is inflicted on themselves.

These areas are now receiving more recognition than they used to at least. Todays medications for depression can be highly effective if monitored properly. I for example watch for any early sociopathic tendancies in young people especially. These can be the most common onset issues of depression.

As a general rule happy people have no use or want or need to display sociopathic tendancies.. Why we have a drug problem in society may be simpler than what has been suspected or understood.