Yes, I own my own body, but what makes me different than many is that 1.) I do my best to take care of it and 2.) I personally take full responsibility for my actions.

Too many people in this country choose to do all sorts of unhealthy things to their body and then when, God forbid, their actions result in a serious health consequence, they DO NOT take responsibility, but rather leave the cost of their bad choices to the taxpayers.

Do I understand your argument to be that as long as one takes care of his body he owns it but if he fails to, he doesn't?

No, I am saying that many people want to party down, but put the bill for their irresponsible behavior on someone else when it catches up with them.

Let's don't forget to wish Keith a happy birthday today.

Richards birthday

I'm not too sure his hearing is what it was back in '62.

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Jim

What you are really saying is that you refuse to discuss the issue.

All you want is to rant your vitriolic perspective on anyone who is unfortunate enough to come into proximity....
Multiple times in this thread the point has been raised that what you profess to desire is the real outcome of the route taken by Portugal, and this you cannot/will not or are entirely incapable of acknowledging....

Your ban was too short. You have learned nothing.

There are so many people here who are willing to indulge your peculiarities, and make overt attempts to draw you into discussion, giving your viewpoint equal footing, and yet you reject the opportunity to enter into logical and neighborly discourse... Very sad.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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And apparently, you have absolutely no interest in giving any thought to ways in this might be changed.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Legalizing such family destroying and life destroying activity is NOT the way to fix it. There are also cases of rape, murder and bank robbery in this country. Just legalize those too. That'll fix it.

I really think you should shut up permently about the taxpayers having to cover for everyones misconduct, I know perfectly well what you are doing ..Doc, ever checked out satelite images of rural NE texas?

Larry, people are saying you are a thickheaded illiterate troll because the linked article proves that Portugal has a method for reducing the number of drug addicts in their country--the very thing you claim to want to accomplish. You could prove that you aren't a thick headed illiterate troll by laying out the exact reasons why you prefer having more drug addicts than less drug addicts.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Just curious. Has anyone ever noticed that Portugal is NOT the same as the US?

A valid point, IMO.

What characteristics of Portugal, different from the USA, would lead one to believe their course applies only to Portugal and not to the USA?

Personally I do not know enough about Portugal to specifically comment on that. But, in General what Country in Europe is similar to the USA?

My best guess is that none of the Countries in Europe are like the USA; including Portugal.

What I think is the biggest difference is that People in the USA see themselves as individuals and the the US Government views them that way and Europeans see themselves more as a member of their Community and there Goverment's view of them that way; in part because their Countries are smaller.

Is the Culture in Portugal more diverse then here? I don't know but I doubt it.
I have the general impression that Family cohesion is more important in European Countries then here. But, I can't prove that either.

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So you're in favor of fewer addicts in Portugal but more addicts in the USA?

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

I get part of what you are saying.

People in the USA do not take care of themselves and don't take responsibility for what happens to themselves; and that means they don't believe they are the source of their own problems. Without accepting that they cannot be Cured.

In that environment they create for themselves they are likely to be bad Patients (In the Article it said Drug Use should be treaded like a Disease) and obstruct successful (expensive) treatment.

I sat in Court Room where a Man was being tried for selling Weed. Trying to build up the Defendants Character His Attorney said He was gainfully employed with the School District (He was a Teacher but what is called a classified employee but this seemed like a bad defense to Me).

Hise Attorney was trying to get Him into what was called a Drug Diversion Program (no Jail time).

However, this wonderful Employed Guy had been picked up for selling Weed before so He did not qualify for the Drug Diversion programs.

So what does it take go get people to take care of themselves?

I am glad when I was Kid that the Adults that were in My Neighbor Hood did not want to be Alcoholics or Drug Users and blieved both were bad; if not immoral.

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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

Dude... they were just good at hiding it, and you were poor at finding out.
Very little has changed in the last 50+ years except for perception.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif