Anyone know anything more informative than the usual "(insert hated make) are crap" ?

Suspect it's being replaced or updated as they're deeply discounting the '14s already.

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84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

Hmmm, I got a 2010 Jeep Patriot from the Auction. Great vehicle IMO. Not sure why the hate...

It seems well made, easy to perform maintenance, parts were not horribly priced when I had to fix it up ...

I heard the trannys were a problem, but I don't want to jinx myself with commenting on that.

There is a safety recall. I got the call and the card in the mail. Something about the airbag.

Nothing "bad" to report overall.

They seem decent. We have a friend who is happy with his.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

It's just another crossdresser trucklet. More in common with a Honda CR-V than a real Jeep (Cherokee, GC, Wrangler) -- perfect for suburban soccer moomies too cowardly or self-conscious to drive a station wagon.

How many traditional station wagons are sold in the U.S. today in the sub $20k range?

Not many. I am seeing these offered new locally for 18K well equipped. 27mpg rating, good crash results.
I read about the trans issue and apparently it was the CV trans that everyone hated. The new ones don't use that trans, but a 6 speed auto instead. Wife wants something with 4wd for when she has to traverse the mountains to get to the rez in bad weather, and decent mileage for running to work and back, 35 miles a day. Might go look tomorrow.

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84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

AFAIK, at least some years were available with a real transmission, not an autotragic or CVT snowmobile box.

The CVT is still offered. I think that it is found on the "trail rated" models.

IDK about the "crossdresser trucklet" concept. Overall, somewhat sporty and if it's deemed to be a SUV, then that is what it is. I like its simplicity, e.g., crank windows, et cet. At least the "problem" issues on many vehicles are reduced.

It's a soft-road vehicle when it's in its most basic form. I wouldn't try to imitate a Wrangler Rubicon with one, but it's not a bad little vehicle for shallow mud, light snow, dirt roads, etc. I too would put it in the same category as the CRV and RAV-4.

Budget-models like the Patriot, are fraught with manufacturing shortcuts in their QC. I wouldn't spend any money on one. Much better choices in the Jeep line up.

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I only have the (insert hated make is crap stuff), as I’m a former owner of a recent model jeep, so will simply say, don't buy a Chrysler product. Get yerself a well-used Toyota LC from about my 1998-2004, mebby spend something to freshen it a bit, and spend the rest of the money on a round the world trip for your family. You’ll get a superior vehicle in every regard, and have no regrets.

No argument there. My son owns an 84 LC rustbucket. Runs like a top. But I'm looking to replace the wife's commuter/sometime bad weather/roads car. At 15mpg a LC for her is not an option. She drives 25K miles a year. A new Subaru is beyond the cash budget and Honda has no comparable replacement for her Element. I've tried in vain to find a newer model Element in AWD. Wish I'd bought a half dozen of them.

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84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

I may decide to just throw a grand or two into the element. It needs struts and a few other things at 170K.

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You're a daisy if you do.
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84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

I rented one last year and drove it from the airport in Providence R.I. to Uncasville, CT.

I thought it was the cheapest p.o.s. I had ever driven.

It had so many rattles and vibrations that it was a cacophony to the ears.

I rode like a bucket of bolts.

The engineers in charge of Noise, Harshness and Vibration should be put on trial.

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2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".