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Old 04-15-2014, 02:59 PM
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Better yet Gunny...why isn't our organizer in chief out there bringing organization to the problem. Look at his success in DC.
If ACORN can help organize the disenfranchised get all the social welfare benefits permitted under the law, then why in the heck can't the ACORN group help the cowboys and cattleranchers? I just don't get it.
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Back on topic . . . it should be noted that fascist, gestapo, thugs, federales were granted "summary judgment" on their request for a permanent injunction against Mr. Bundy. It's a pretty important distinction. Summary judgment is one of the hardest motions to bring and prevail on in court since the moving party has the burden of showing that it is entitled to the judgment "as a matter of law" and that there are no facts in controversy that might provide even a modest issue to be decided at trial. It's the equivalent of having one's case or defense being "thrown out" because there was no legal or factual support for the position taken.

The summary judgment order could have been appealed and a stay put in place, but apparently that was not done.
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Old 04-15-2014, 04:13 PM
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in 2013, it was widely reported that Federal funds for a Nevada-based desert tortoise conservation center are running dry and wildlife officials plan to close the facility and euthanize hundreds of tortoises that were once classified as “endangered” and are currently considered “threatened.”

The desert tortoise can be found in the southwestern United States, but its population has been dwindling. In some areas, the tortoise population has decreased by 90 percent since the 1980s, and in the Mojave desert the population is considered “threatened.” It is illegal to touch, harm or harass these animals, and the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center has tried to increase their population ever since they were added to the endangered species list in 1990.

Still, only 100,000 desert tortoises are estimated to remain in the wild.

But federal funds are running dry at the Las Vegas Valley facility, and rather than release the animals, officials plan to euthanize about half of the 1,400 tortoises. The 220-acre facility will shut its doors in 2014, and the tortoises deemed feeble to survive in the wild will be set free. Many of the tortoises at the center were formerly kept as pets and are unable to survive in the desert.

“It’s the lesser of two evils, but it’s still evil,” US Fish and Wildlife Service desert tortoise recovery coordinator Roy Averill-Murray told the Associated Press.

The facility usually takes in diseased or injured tortoises and nurtures them back to health, but new arrivals will most likely be put to sleep.

The Bureau of Land Management currently funds the conservation and research center with fees inflicted on those who disturb tortoise habitats. During the housing boom in the early 2000s, the conservation center had plenty of cash, since developers were frequently fined for disturbing such habitats. But since the recession, the BLM has struggled to meet its annual $1 million budget.

Over the past 11 months, the BLM has only accumulated $290,000 in federal mitigation fees that developers are forced to pay.


I wonder if they taste like chicken. Tortoise B-B-Q anyone ?
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in 2013, it was widely reported that Federal funds for a Nevada-based desert tortoise conservation center are running dry and wildlife officials plan to close the facility and euthanize hundreds of tortoises that were once classified as “endangered” and are currently considered “threatened.”
Link please. (I tried to find what you're talking about and couldn't.)
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:15 PM
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Link please. (I tried to find what you're talking about and couldn't.)
There are quite a few links since the passage has been cited on many websites. Just cut and paste a paragraph into Google and you'll see the number of results.

This could be the source, which is dated August 2013

http://rt.com/usa/desert-tortoises-euthanize-nevada-024/
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Link please. (I tried to find what you're talking about and couldn't.)
I wonder if anyone else has noticed that when our left leaning members represent a statement is fact, the other left leaning members accept it as fact. If OTOH a right leaning member presents something as fact, they are immediately prompted for a link. Of course regardless of the link, it will be claimed to not be a credible source, or not enough participants in the study, etc.

Just an interesting point that some people have conveniently not noticed.
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I wonder if anyone else has noticed that when our left leaning members represent a statement is fact, the other left leaning members accept it as fact. If OTOH a right leaning member presents something as fact, they are immediately prompted for a link. Of course regardless of the link, it will be claimed to not be a credible source, or not enough participants in the study, etc.

Just an interesting point that some people have conveniently not noticed.
Nonsense. You're really reaching here.
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Nonsense. You're really reaching here.


Reaching? You are unable to see what I'm talking about because you are in the middle of the fray.
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I wonder if anyone else has noticed that when our left leaning members represent a statement is fact, the other left leaning members accept it as fact. If OTOH a right leaning member presents something as fact, they are immediately prompted for a link. Of course regardless of the link, it will be claimed to not be a credible source, or not enough participants in the study, etc.

Just an interesting point that some people have conveniently not noticed.
Have you ever fact checked anything before you posted it here, or asked a fellow right wing minded for a link to back up his claim...?
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in 2013, it was widely reported that Federal funds for a Nevada-based desert tortoise conservation center are running dry and wildlife officials plan to close the facility and euthanize hundreds of tortoises that were once classified as “endangered” and are currently considered “threatened.”

The desert tortoise can be found in the southwestern United States, but its population has been dwindling. In some areas, the tortoise population has decreased by 90 percent since the 1980s, and in the Mojave desert the population is considered “threatened.” It is illegal to touch, harm or harass these animals, and the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center has tried to increase their population ever since they were added to the endangered species list in 1990.

Still, only 100,000 desert tortoises are estimated to remain in the wild.

But federal funds are running dry at the Las Vegas Valley facility, and rather than release the animals, officials plan to euthanize about half of the 1,400 tortoises. The 220-acre facility will shut its doors in 2014, and the tortoises deemed feeble to survive in the wild will be set free. Many of the tortoises at the center were formerly kept as pets and are unable to survive in the desert.

“It’s the lesser of two evils, but it’s still evil,” US Fish and Wildlife Service desert tortoise recovery coordinator Roy Averill-Murray told the Associated Press.

The facility usually takes in diseased or injured tortoises and nurtures them back to health, but new arrivals will most likely be put to sleep.

The Bureau of Land Management currently funds the conservation and research center with fees inflicted on those who disturb tortoise habitats. During the housing boom in the early 2000s, the conservation center had plenty of cash, since developers were frequently fined for disturbing such habitats. But since the recession, the BLM has struggled to meet its annual $1 million budget.

Over the past 11 months, the BLM has only accumulated $290,000 in federal mitigation fees that developers are forced to pay.


I wonder if they taste like chicken. Tortoise B-B-Q anyone ?
Think soup.
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Old 04-15-2014, 04:50 PM
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I guess a tortoise cannot really outrun anything --except another tortoise perhaps, -- so it's either clam-up or be eaten-up ...lol
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Old 04-15-2014, 05:21 PM
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Ask Amy and Jeannie how it feels to take out a desert tortoise ...

Amy Lueders, State Director, Nevada Bureau of Land Management
Jeannie Stafford, U.S. Fish and Wildlife
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I think we've had massive bipartisan Thread Swoon......
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