Back in the day, El......how they feel about Uncle Sam owning their backyard now?
Why is it US owns 78% of Nevada? Is that what 'we' own? For what?

Figured you would like the breitbart.com link...:D

Fair enough. US conquest over Mexico resulting in the Mexico Cession?
I think that was the last 'conquest' and predating the Bundy's claim of 'preemptive' right.

You got class :P

LOL....good one.

Tell that to the Palestinians.

I have no idea how that managed to go through. It was a steaming load at the time and it still is. I read a year or so ago one of my congresscritters got a bill through turning over a good sized chunk of BLM land to Lyon County, NV. It's a step in the right direction, but we need a lot more. If the land Bundy was using were privately held, this whole chingadera wouldn't be happening.

I think we've had massive bipartisan Thread Swoon......http://greatbuys.net/forum/Smileys/c...a94f57319e.gifhttp://greatbuys.net/forum/Smileys/c...a94f57319e.gif

I don't believe I have ever argued in favor of civil disobedience in that you should be spared any and all events happening. I agree you can do it like the Chinese guy in Tiananmen Square but when he got squished, oh well.

Back in what day? Pre-statehood? In that case you'd have to give it back to the Spanish Vaqueros, who'd have to give it back to the indigenous inhabitants. It's an absurd rationale.

The answer to your question "why is it US owns 78% of Nevada?" is found in the copy paste I showed you from the Nevada constitution. Most western states have a similar passage in their own constitutions. It was part of the price of statehood. My own state is about 10% private property, the rest is federal one way or the other. I'm not saying I like it or it's "right", it just IS. The "sovereign citizen" argument is bullshlt. Your cowboy hero is a welfare scammer. I thought you didn't like moochers; you know, those bums waiting for their "free stuff". Cliven Bundy is a perfect example of them.

I never, ever suggested that.

I merely propose that there are times and circumstances when most of us could imagine conducting civil disobedience.

It's a small step from peaceful to violent.

And another from violent resistance to active revolution.

It happens awfully quickly sometimes. Take deposing the Czar. It took generations of abuse to reach the tipping point but once there, a year or so to execute sweeping revolution.

And it doesn't matter how big the standing army and police maybe. Look at the fall of the Berlin Wall and utter collapse of the USSR and Warsaw Pact. 10 years or even 5 years before, that event was utterly unpredictable.

It will happen in that fashion in the USA when the collapse comes. Men and women who presently could not imagine themselves taking-up arms against their fellow citizens will mow-down the other side. Remember that the bloodiest war we have fought since our founding was the War Between the States. A conflict nobody wanted.

This Bundy is not my hero....fed's own this debacle as much as Bundy. Fed's been puling this water rights crap all over the west.

You hep to environmental justice?

Don't worry El, they going give it all back to Mehico ala La Raza....

No one got squished in Tiananmen Square.

Let me ask this. Had he paid his dues, would we be talking about this subject now?

Had he challenged it in court when he was given the invitations, would we be talking about this now?

Or how about not grazing on what you didn't pay for till it is settled?


You go punch someone in the face and he beats your ass, regardless of how severe a beating you get, you started it. You can't drag anything else into the fight.

Another guy been paying his dues:

Estate of E. Wayne Hage v. United States : SCOTUSblog

Federal Judge Rules for Property Rights, Smacks Down Abusive Feds

This guy won....US is appealing....told him "not to worry, because WE always win in the 9th circuit court of appeals"....

No agenda here....

You're probably right.

From the Wiki:
Official figures

• Some of the early estimates were based on reports of a casualty figure of 2,600 from the Chinese Red Cross, which was quickly retracted.
• On June 6, State Council spokesperson Yuan Mu claimed that preliminary tallies by the government showed that about 300 civilians and soldiers died, including 23 students from universities in Beijing, along with a number of people he described as "ruffians".[135] Some 5,000 soldiers and police along with 2,000 civilians were wounded.
• On June 19, Beijing Party Secretary Li Ximing reported to the Politburo that the government's confirmed death toll was 241, including 218 civilians (including 36 students), 10 PLA soldiers and 13 People's Armed Police, along with 7,000 wounded.[143][144]
• On July 1, Chen Xitong, then Beijing mayor, reported that about 200 civilians and several dozen soldiers died.[145][146]

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If they are using the $1m he supposedly owes as justification, when will armed Marshals go after Charley Rangle ? He supposedly owes over$2m.