Seemed to me to be just a spontaneous ejaculation of wisdom.

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Egged on by some reporter?

Old Clive did make mention of some things previously mentioned regarding life on the democrat plantation........mentioned by blacks.

How can that go unnoticed?

Maureen Dowd, who wasn't there, quotes somebody who said he saw something not happen. That's some fine fact checking on ol' Maureen's part.

You believed you heard 'perceived grunts of approval' ?

You believed???

Sounds as bad as Clivens 'racist rants'.


"I think I heard he doesn't like Negros"

The spin doctors are strong when standing in range feed manure.

“THE THING WITH ME IS THAT I AM SMART AND I’M SMELF, I’M SELF SMARTED, BASICALLY, BY MYSELF, BASICALLY FROM NATURE AND SMOKING DRUGS AND DOING DIFFERENT THINGS I’VE SELF…LIKE SELF LEARNED MYSELF. AND THAT’S THE WHOLE DIFFERENCE I GUESS IS THAT I DON’T NEED THE BOOKS OR THE SCHOOLING TYPE THINGS. I JUST GET EVERYTHING ON MY OWN AND BECAUSE OF THAT I’M ALIVE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY BOOKS AND COLLEGE ARE FOR TO MAKE YOU SMARTER, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE FOR TO MAKE YOU DEAD, WHICH IS WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO ME. MY BRAIN DOESN’T USE ENOUGH OXYGEN BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE THE WHOLE THING FILLED WITH DIFFERENT STUFF. AND IF IT WAS FULL, ITS ONLY PART FULL AND THAT’S WHY I’M ALIVE RIGHT NOW.”

Any inklings of a political future?

Ok, Ok. I'm not suggesting that even white southerners hang their heads in shame for the next 200 years. And as a Chinese person, yes, it's a tad different. But the economy of the south was built on the backs of slaves and the war didn't destroy all of it.

And the lucrative triangle of trade from the late 16th to early 19th centuries had a good bit to do with getting the American economy off the ground: slaves from Africa to the West Indies; sugar, molasses, and rum to the American colonies, the same to Europe along with tobacco and hemp from Virginia; copper, cloth, beads, guns and ammo to Africa to trade for slaves and repeat.

So on some level, at the end of the civil war it really wasn't enough to say 'we're sorry, here's your freedom, now get the hell off'n a my land.'

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Slavery build the South, but it also brought it down. Because of slavery the South never industrialized like the North did. Only now is the South catching up. One of the maine reasons Southern states are still the poorest in the nation.

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Yes, I understand all of what you say. But if you are not suggesting that white people hang their head for the next 200 years, what is it you are suggesting? How many years do you expect me to keep blaming my current situation on the mistakes of my father before I do something for myself and worry about what is going on today and maybe tomorrow? Dwelling on what my ancestors did is foolish. I can never what my great grandfather did to your great grandfather by apologizing to you and what not. All it does is set up another "Hatfield and McCoy" situation where we have a blood feud because my so and so had a beef with your so and so.

If it wasn't enough to say "we're sorry" at the end of the civil war to the people who were enslaved then, it certainly won't make any difference for me to say that to somebody who wasn't even there. Imagine a Japanese person coming to apologize to me for what his ancestor did to mine. What good does it do? His ancestor should be the one apologizing to my ancestor for the misdeeds. His apology is meaningless. That is like me punishing you for your grandfather's theft of my grandfather's horse. All it is good for now is to make an "us vs them" situation and give me a reason to hate you and your family although I don't really know what it was about.

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Most people believe the War Between the States was fundamentally about slavery, Somewhere around 700k-800k soldiers died in that war, more than half were on the federal side. It cost taxpayers on both sides a fair penny, impoverishing the losers and putting the winners into a terrible economic depression.

White people did not invent slavery, nor did arabs, Romans, or whomever. Slavery was an acceptable estate of man since time recorded history. It was normal, not an aberration.

As industrialized agriculture replaced traditional methods countries generally emancipated or manumitted slaves. I could be wrong, but I think that the United States was the only country in the 19th century that fought a war over it rather than let industrialization destroy it.

I think you should do more reading on this; read some Books about the Reconstruction Period.

Very few White People in the United States during the Civil War or in particular right after the Civil War wanted to give any Non-white Male equality.

After the Civil War ended Most of the Freedmen just wanted to have someplace to live and grow and hunt enough to eat and work occasionally when then needed Money.

After the North stopped punishing the Southern States and People the North in general wanted to get the South back into production and allowed the Southerners to gradually gain back control. In order to get their cheap Labor Force back.
The Southerners were allowed to Pass Laws that the Blacks had to either Contract with someone or leave.

That eventually lead to all kinds of Laws for Blacks regulating nearly every aspect of public life.

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This began with the discussion of Lincoln's (and other's) ideas to resettle American blacks in Africa or some other new state, because it was assumed that peaceful coexistence would be impossible, too difficult, not fair to blacks, something.

My point was that not sending them to some new Liberia but instead working to accommodate blacks here was a sort of atonement by itself, as many whites would no doubt have preferred that they all be shipped somewhere. White behavior was arguably pretty poor during a lot of it, not everyone was guilty certainly. At any rate, might not seem like much of a gift to blacks, OTOH, being resettled elsewhere might well have been worse. It's not like there were vacant countries available to settle approx. 4 million people. Ensuring that freed slaves wouldn't be unwelcome newcomers in some nation that had no culpability for the fact of their enslavement likely would have been difficult.

Affirmative action has been a mixed bag, but it was a step in the right direction IMO. The Job Corps had some success here and there and is still up and running though you don't hear much about it. George Foreman would probably not have been heavyweight champ without it. That not exactly being a sort of success in improved livelihood for the black community as a whole but it does speak of some success at stimulating personal development.

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Some people are still supporting the racist attitudes from before the civil war.

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That is true. Those same People don't understand Historically why the White People got a conscience and gave up their power over the other Races.
As an example if the rest of the "White" World had not turned against South Africa during the Apartheid times would South Africa have lost Power and caved in? Perhaps that is a better subject for another thread.

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