Bundy's daughter has now lashed out at Hannity and Beck for not standing 100% with her Father. She says all they are worried about are their ratings.

Gee.... I thought it was all about standing up for what is right. Who knew Hannity or Beck ever concerned themselves with ratings?

At this point it's not about the ratings anymore, it could be the end of Hannity at Fox. Would not be surprised if they make some big changes to his contract when it's due.

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No. I am simply giving My View of the Situation.

Jorn apparenly thought there was some lage slaughter of the Bonus Marchers. I think I have shown that was evndently greatly exaggerated.
By the way I did not know what happend at the Bonus March have not read anthing about it until this thread came along.
I had seen some of the Movie Film shot at the time and I thought like Jorn more were injured or killed.

I don't know what propted Jorn to come up with the:
"Originally Posted by Jorn
If they had the same weaponry to there disposal as the ATF did at Waco in 1993, the outcome was most likely different."

The comment discounts that fact that the Military had way more the sufficient Weapons if the President or the Military had decided to turn the Bonus March into a WACO type Incident.

As it was the Military Commander did not follow orders and the Bonus March incident became more brutal due to that.
Considering that Orders were not followed the Casualty Rate was I think Low.

Do I approve of the Military going after the Bonus Marchers or even the WACO Incident?

Since the WACO Incident was within My time and know more about it I do not approve of they way the WACO incident was handled.

Concerning the Bonus Marchers. The only thing that would have diffused that situation was to have given the Marches what the wanted.
But, the Government did not want to set the example of having Blackmail work.

So I see both sides of the situation and there is no compromise.

Was the Governments response Rational? Within the constraints of the Time Period the Government response was rational because the Law was more important during that time period.
In fact due to the Depression the Government felt a real threat of Revolution and the Hoover (spelling?) Administration was simply paralyzed as to what to do about it so that Administration did not do much and crated little hope in the Peoples Minds.

(FDR had no quick Fix either but proceeded to at lest do something and that something restored some Hope in the Peoples minds.)

Do I think what was done was right? The real answer is I don't know.

I guess you have to ask yourself at what point did the Governments Response be come an overreaction?
I think it was the Military Commander that pushed it too far.

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That seems rather fanciful.
I think that the News Media has to report the news a in manner that (sells the News) appeals to the Viewers/Subscribers. If Mainstream Media is Liberal it is because that is what sells.

Tweaking the News a little so it is more salable to a specific Audience does not bother anyone as long as it tweaked in the someone believes in.

Oddly doing what what sells sounds like a right wing idea.

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The Bonus Army has its' own wild tales that some people take as the truth. There are lots of these stories out there since there is no one with a living memory of what really took place.

The most far out story is that MacArthur loaded them all on a train and transported them to Florida where they were taken out into the swamps and shot. Yup, left floating for the gators to eat up.

There are many more of these fairy tails out there, most of which seem to have come from people who did not like MacArthur or FDR.

I remember Waco, too. I was right down the street and watched it live on TV. When I saw that policeman killed right there on live television I knew the folks inside had bit off far more than they could chew. When I saw the Branch Dividians blasting away with a cal. 50 at the FBI there was no doubt in my mind how this was going to end.

Mess with the bull... You get the horns.

The comment about there being no compromise from either side of the Bonus Army thing reminded me of Reagan and the air traffic controllers strike.

The ATC would not compromise and Reagan was in a legal position where he could not even if he wanted to. I do think Reagan was glad he had a chance to bust a Union; I have never known a Republican yet that did not live for a chance like that. But the fact remains that Reagan had the law on his side and he was bound by the ATC contract to act as he did.

It his the difference between Rush; a coherent Person who has reasons and ideas to back up His arguments compared to a rambling incoherent Person that just spouts off what the feel is correct but barley knows reasons why.

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I don't think this is a good example because the Guy was supposed to be paying for the use of the BLM Land.

That would be more like going to the Mafia and renting some Land from from the Mafia and then refusing to pay.

There is no reason to expect that the BLM or the Mafia would let some one get away with out at some point paying one way or another.

If someone does not like the way the BLM does business perhaps they should not "make a deal with the Devil" and find some other means of livelihood.

Either the Land belongs to the BLM/Government or not.

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I am not sure where the FDR Connection comes in concerning the 1st Bonus March except for the 2nd Bonus March that happend when FDR was President was handled better.

But MacArthur was like everyone and was a mix of good and bad traits. Most People are the same but most People don't end up being in a position of Power where those good or bad traits effect the lives of others.

Things that impressed Me when I read about MacArthur were that during WWI He many times when "Over the Top" with his Troops during Attacks and He did not have to do that.
He lost less Men during His Island Hopping per ground gained then the Admiral did that was in charge of the other area of the Pacific.
　
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The other issue is that where Children are involved the Police usually do not attack for the sake of the Children.

Also in theory the Law Enforcement is not supposed to be involved in revenge Killing.
The question I have is could they have arrested David Korish while He was in Town?
If so that would have put a kink in the leadership and made the Branch Dividians less decisive and less apt to cause a confrontation.

So I guess what I am saying is that it does not seem like Law Enforcements Plans matched the situation.
Then was it the FBI that had to come in and deal with the ATFs mess? I know that when I have had to come behinds someone and fix the mistake they made on the Job the Job was much worse.

This is off subject but for some reason the WACO incident remindes Me of an incident where a Black Women was shot.

The Women was Sleeping in a Car holding a Hand Gun. While I can agree that this is violating the Law the Policed determined that the situation was a threat to Public Safety and that something had to be done.

The apparently attempted to wake Her by other means and She would not wake up.
So, they decided to bust the Window. As soon as the busted the Window the startled Women work up and waved the Gun around and now that She had some control of the Gun Shot Her.

It all seems sort of resonable till you think about it. If I was sleeping an a Car and someone busted the Window My first thought would be that I am being attacked and that is how I would react. I think that is how the Women reacted; She thought She was being attacked and pointed the Gun.

So what else could have been done?
A Person sleeping in a Car with a Gun at that point is not a threat to anyone. If they could not wake Her they should have left Her alone until She woke up.
If they were otherwise concerned about Public Safety they could have called the Bomb Squad and had that Squad bring sand Bags and built a Sand Bag Wall/Barrier around the Car limiting the ability of the Women in the Car to shoot at anyone after She finally woke up.

There may be other Solutions that would have worked but apparently the Mind Set of Law Enforcement seems to be liminted.
No one seems to have expended much though on what could be done to keep from having to shoot that Women.

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Don't take my posts to serious. This is the only place I like to "talk" politics, like to stir things up a little. People here think I'm a leftist lunatic and my friends outside the realm of the interwebs think I'm sort of on the right.

Coming back to the quote; I think there is a truth in it. News has become entertainment and when people don't see their favorite entertainment shared by others they get upset and disappointed that others don't want to play with them.

The thing with this ranger guy is no news, there are millions of Americans that have a dispute with the government. This guy is made into news, but it's nothing else then entertainment.

He had his 15 minutes of fame and one way or another he will pay the $1.5million.

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Slaughter is is a big word. What I meant was that if the troops had modern weapons, like everyone carries these days, the outcome could have been like Waco.

In the 20's it would still take days before news about the Bonus Marchers would reach California and other parts of the country. If I remember well I watched Waco and the slaughter unfolding on life TV, in Holland.

I was horrified and raging with anger. Within a year there was a full fletched 90 minute documentary in the cinema about Waco and was I watching it on a 40ft screen...

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Me too. That it took so long to conclude. Should have been over and done with much quicker. Pull a stunt like that, well, sorry, I have no sympathy.

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