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aklim 05-04-2014 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3324736)
About half the time---when a repub ( liberal or conservative) is in the White House, Progressives have no trust in government. When a democrat inhabits the WH, there seems to be nothing but trust in the government.

The cynicism exhibited by liberal toward government disappears when a democrat is the President.
Does anyone who identifies himself as a liberal or conservative really have a trust in the other side?

Jorn 05-04-2014 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3324736)
About half the time---when a repub ( liberal or conservative) is in the White House, Progressives have no trust in government. When a democrat inhabits the WH, there seems to be nothing but trust in the government.

The cynicism exhibited by liberal toward government disappears when a democrat is the President.
What's a liberal and what's a conservative, I like to hear your expertise about those two words?

MS Fowler 05-04-2014 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3324739)
Does anyone who identifies himself as a liberal or conservative really have a trust in the other side?
Probably not.

MS Fowler 05-04-2014 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3324740)
What's a liberal and what's a conservative, I like to hear your expertise about those two words?
I'll plead with the Supreme Court Justice who could not define pornography, but knew it when he saw it.
There are too many shades of coloring to permit definitions that no one could find fault with.

The ironic thing is that "Conservatives" want to conserve very little. That term was correct in its historical context, but not so much, now. Similarly, the democrat socialists of today have very little in common with the democrat party of, say 50-60 years ago.

Jorn 05-04-2014 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3324759)
I'll plead with the Supreme Court Justice who could not define pornography, but knew it when he saw it.
There are too many shades of coloring to permit definitions that no one could find fault with.
You seem to be always pretty certain who's a liberal and call conservatives your friends.

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3324759)
The ironic thing is that "Conservatives" want to conserve very little. That term was correct in its historical context, but not so much, now. Similarly, the democrat socialists of today have very little in common with the democrat party of, say 50-60 years ago.
Conservatives are progressives now? Always thought the tea-party had a left leaning agenda.

Doubt you will find socialists in the democratic party of today, if they are there it's a negligible minority with no power. So why the fear?

Botnst 05-04-2014 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Medmech (Post 3324265)
From what I gather many of you think its OK for the government to respond with violence for failure to pay taxes, with that said is it OK if they break down your door for you failing to pay taxes? I'd like to see a show of hands of everyone that reports all of their own taxes due including online purchases.
Me! Me! Me!

(Hoping the NSA sends this message of compliance to IRS)

Botnst 05-04-2014 08:33 PM
In 1773 in Boston Harbor a bunch of people in disguise pitched a taxable product into the water. Cowardly lawbreakers, every one of them.

aklim 05-04-2014 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3324845)
Me! Me! Me!

(Hoping the NSA sends this message of compliance to IRS)
I hate brown noses. :D

aklim 05-04-2014 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3324846)
In 1773 in Boston Harbor a bunch of people in disguise pitched a taxable product into the water. Cowardly lawbreakers, every one of them.
Several thousand years ago I could marry my sister. No need to have in laws.

cmac2012 05-05-2014 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3324730)
Is that the same attitude you have towards all things or is it only your pet causes? Can I say "Legal Schmegal" towards me shooting you, burning or drowning because I have a beef?

At some point, you have an ancestor that might have "married" a girl in her teens. At that time, it was legal. Laws are always in flux. Would you be ok with doing that same thing today? I mean, it could change and be legal for me to have sex with a 2 year old sometime in the future so what of it?

As long as the consequences are low, I agree.
Now who's shoving tripe? You're all over the place. I'm talking about people choosing between starvation and obeying laws regarding borders.

Nobody was actually starving or they wouldn't have had the strength to make it here but sometimes you see it coming down the road and you hustle like hell to ward it off.

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3324874)
Several thousand years ago I could marry my sister. No need to have in laws.
:wacko:

cmac2012 05-05-2014 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3324737)
I was not arguing the point.
No, you were just dismissing it as wrong, out of context, etc. And you still have no response for it.

cmac2012 05-05-2014 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3324846)
In 1773 in Boston Harbor a bunch of people in disguise pitched a taxable product into the water. Cowardly lawbreakers, every one of them.
And that's exactly like Bundy's protest. They're soul brothers, through and through.

The fees Bundy was being asked to pay were not onerous. Would have cost him much more to graze his cattle on private land.

MS Fowler 05-05-2014 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3324977)
No, you were just dismissing it as wrong, out of context, etc. And you still have no response for it.
Since you are being obtuse, let me be clear:

I CONCEDE YOUR POINT.

Its really hard when you have to argue with people who are agreeing with you.

Botnst 05-05-2014 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 3324874)
Several thousand years ago I could marry my sister. No need to have in laws.
Worthless without pix.

Botnst 05-05-2014 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 3324979)
And that's exactly like Bundy's protest. They're soul brothers, through and through.

The fees Bundy was being asked to pay were not onerous. Would have cost him much more to graze his cattle on private land.
The Tea Tax was not onerous. Come on, people can live without tea, for goodness sakes.

It isn't the amount, it's the imposition.

Have you ever talked to cattle ranchers concerning their view of range management vs the Fed? There are generations of enmity stored-up looking for an expression. Think it helped the relationship by having the dispute escalate to armed confrontation?


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