You do realize that pretty much everything you wrote is exactly what the BLM, aka "feds" avoided. There were substantial lessons learned from past incidents, yet there is this need to believe that every confrontation must be a repeat of "Another Ruby Ridge/Waco event"

It would seem that there's a group that would like nothing better than for this to turn into a shoot out. Why is that?

This exactly. Those who start hollering about it are itching for another one.

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If they would merely leave 'em alone, there would be no trouble.

third party interlopers trespassing on private matters.

torturous interference with a private contract.

It really does take two to tango.

You mean let Bundy continue to break the law and overgraze land he doesn't own while not paying for the privilege? Um, OK.

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan third party interlopers trespassing on private matters. torturous interference with a private contract. It really does take two to tango.

How is the BLM a "third party"? What "private matters"? What "private contract"?

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the right to be left alone and enjoy peace and happiness. They are like the NYC mafia going to restaurant and dry cleaner owners and offering them a deal they cannot refuse; they want to be paid for providing 'protection'.

Can you say 'protection racket'? I knew you could......

I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you?
I would GUESS you have several issues mixed up, but it's only a guess.

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Whew! I thought it was just me . . .

But they are not asking for the right to be left alone. They are defying a court order and telling the Feds to come and get them. They have said they do not want peace, so that's not it either.

They just want the right to steal from the US government. And that makes them Conservative Heros?

I don't think this is a good example because the Guy was supposed to be paying for the use of the BLM Land.

That would be more like going to the Mafia and renting some Land from from the Mafia and then refusing to pay.

There is no reason to expect that the BLM or the Mafia would let some one get away with out at some point paying one way or another.

If someone does not like the way the BLM does business perhaps they should not "make a deal with the Devil" and find some other means of livelihood.

Either the Land belongs to the BLM/Government or not.

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Wayyy out in right field. Bundy had access to 900 sq. miles for grazing, free of charge. Who owns a ranch that size outright?

Oh poor me, if only my landlord and the IRS would leave me alone and not expect me to give them money. Waaaaaaaaa--aaa-aaaaa-aaaaa-aaaa

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Yeah, all of those people are alike and want to die along with their families in a conflagration. Brilliant.

I didn't say anybody was alike. You've confused me with Idle. Or somebody.

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Do you know any of them that don't think this way? The highest calling is to be a martyr for the 'cause'. Why do you think they seem to find a way to confront the police so often?

Your problem with this is that you don't understand the people you are trying to talk about. You consider them to be normal when they are in fact delusional. When you look at it from their point of view the last thing they want to be is different from each other. They are a solid group, not individuals, and in their world there is no room for individual thought.

I am so glad we definitively know "these people". It prevents us from having to waste time considering their circumstances, perspectives and interactions.

This. the feds didn't avoid ANYTHING. Since burning 13 children to a crisp at WACO and shooting a 14 year old boy in the back at Ruby Ridge, they have suddenly become aware that violence may not be their best option.