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Old 08-20-2014, 03:08 PM
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At the last incident, you can clearly see the car responding to what the front wheels do. Low speed is way different than high speed. In the first go round, it is uncertain what happened, I'll admit. You can see a pronounced turn to the right of the front wheel just before his rear wheel strikes Ward's front. And you can see the car lurch towards the outside wall.

I suspect Ward could clearly see the sudden rightward move of Stewart's car, and this while he was backing off to let Ward in, and that's why he reacted with such animation.
I think the initial contact which put Ward out was a racing incident. I don't think Tony could see Ward but was in fact just trying to keep his car on the good part of the track and not jump the cushion. There is not enough film to determine whether Ward was passing Tony or the other way around. Tony's car was in front though and I believe the obligation is on the fellow behind to avoid the collision.
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Old 08-20-2014, 06:03 PM
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I think the initial contact which put Ward out was a racing incident. I don't think Tony could see Ward but was in fact just trying to keep his car on the good part of the track and not jump the cushion. There is not enough film to determine whether Ward was passing Tony or the other way around. Tony's car was in front though and I believe the obligation is on the fellow behind to avoid the collision.
It looked to me that Ward was trying to give him the track. He was falling back at the moment of the strike.
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Old 08-20-2014, 08:31 AM
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I see other in-car/dash cams from other races...

Did Stewart or other drivers have one too? Where is that footage?
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:51 AM
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:03 AM
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Why not? I place as much faith in reading faces as reading tea leaves so why not toss in a corpse? I don't doubt the results will be the same guesswork.
I read that as "feces". Holy crap!
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:13 AM
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I read that as "feces". Holy crap!
Same thing.
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Same thing.
Probably for you.
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Probably for you.
I hold them both in the same regard as reading tea leaves. Just as reliable but poop can be used for fertilizer, tea can be consumed,, not by me, face reading, not sure besides as a SWAG.
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^ I suspect that was the one. I don't think he actually went into the path of either car. #45 came close to him but didn't change his course from what I could see. My take is that he was standing to the side of the path Stewart WAS on but Stewart began to steer towards him and that's when he backpedaled. You can see, especially on the slo-mo version, as you have more time to look at the angles, that Stewart was angling away from the pole and up to the outside. After he hit him he continued on that course and ended up way, way higher on the track than #45 was. If he was interested in keeping the best position, he'd have mimicked 45's course - the shortest route and the densest part of the track.

I have little doubt Ward had done that stroll before. He knew where the cars would be. If they'd followed the course they started on anyway.
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:03 PM
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If it hasn't happened under Aklim's nose, it doesn't happen.

Nobody had to come to a halt because of what Ward did. #45 didn't have to swerve to miss him. TS F-ed up, big time. He forgot for a moment that Ward wasn't inside of a frame, held in by major seat belts, with four large rubber balloons at the corners for protection and did one of his much spoken of 'I'm going to run him over' maneuvers. Bad karma done caught up with him. S'cuse me while a brush away a tear.

We'll see how this shakes out.
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Unless you can produce videos that can overturn the ones already out there. I guess you're just beating a dead issue to death. The fact of the matter is that it was dark, very dark at track surface level, and the perimeter of the track where the incident took place. The dead man wearing all black jumpsuit decided to jump and lunge in front of race cars twice - the 2nd time was his deadly mistake. It is unknown what Stewart saw or didn't see, and when. What is not in question is that Stewart gunned his engine and simultaneously turned the steering wheel to the right at the same time his car hit the deceased. I would fully expect at least a deposition and Civil Trial against Stewart to happen at some point. I would be very surprised if one wasn't. At the very least an out of court settlement with unnamed damages paid by Stewart/sources. What we may never know is the truth from Stewart. Regardless what he says. Right now, I believe that the Stewart Camp's strategy is 100% in damage-control mode by continuing to cancel races, in an effort to show how truly shaken up Stewart is - whether he is or not, is again never going to be known. Unfortunately, that's what we've got to work with. Seeing is believing as the final moments of the deceased and Stewart's car coming together tells the whole, of what happened story.
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If it hasn't happened under Aklim's nose, it doesn't happen.

Nobody had to come to a halt because of what Ward did. #45 didn't have to swerve to miss him. TS F-ed up, big time. He forgot for a moment that Ward wasn't inside of a frame, held in by major seat belts, with four large rubber balloons at the corners for protection and did one of his much spoken of 'I'm going to run him over' maneuvers. Bad karma done caught up with him. S'cuse me while a brush away a tear.

We'll see how this shakes out.
It doesn't have to happen under my nose but I go along with the "hard" science and toss the rest into the septic system.

Let me guess, you saw all that in his face or a ouija board. If karma was real, there would be be a lot less evil in the world. People make it up to make themselves feel better about getting shafted.

Ward alive, my life goes on. Ward dead, the same. Won't matter either way.
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It doesn't have to happen under my nose but I go along with the "hard" science and toss the rest into the septic system.

Let me guess, you saw all that in his face or a ouija board. If karma was real, there would be be a lot less evil in the world. People make it up to make themselves feel better about getting shafted.

Ward alive, my life goes on. Ward dead, the same. Won't matter either way.
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NEXT!

Sorry but I will go along with real science as to what can be proved. I used to throw the junk out but since you like it, I won't further throw it in the landfill and let you help yourself to the garbage
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Sorry but I will go along with real science as to what can be proved. I used to throw the junk out but since you like it, I won't further throw it in the landfill and let you help yourself to the garbage
DUDE! Get real. The insults are only further proof that you have no leg to stand on. It has been proven that some law enforcement officers are way better at reading what an armed perp will do than others. Many cops shoot at all of them. Some cops have a knack for knowing when it's OK not to shoot. When it's just some scared kid. How'd they do that?

Life is funny. There are things that are unknown.

Now, if you don't chill with the Ouija board and similar pea-brained insults, it's permanent ignore.
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