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Old 06-09-2018, 01:24 AM
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North Sentinel Island, isolated tribe, 60,000 years old

I happened to hear about this island: 24 sq miles with a population of unknown size, estimates are 40 to 500. The people violently resist most all contact though there has been some. Estimated to be very close genetically to the first people who left Africa. It's a protectorate of India though it's closer to Myanmar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEsNc1HXoYc

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Old 06-09-2018, 11:10 AM
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I am amazed that in this day and age there is a single culture, group... that has not been found, documented and examined down to the last cell. I wish them well.
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Interesting, really show's collaboration and the sharing of knowledge with other societies is key for advancement.
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Old 06-10-2018, 12:41 PM
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'Advancement' is in some ways a debatable concept. What I can see of those people in the film and photos shows some really healthy looking people. Study of skeletons from hunter/gatherer eras reportedly shows people more sturdy and robust than those of us from modern agrarian societies.

None of those people are paying off a mortgage, none of them are in debt from medical costs, none of them have been compelled to travel halfway around the world to fight some presumed enemy.

They don't have painless dentistry but neither do they have soda pop. I think it laudable that the Indian govt. leaves them alone. They don't attempt to prosecute islanders for killing people who venture into their territory.

But one wonders if they will eventually be corrupted by modernity. Video can be seen of them accepting coconuts as a gift. If they get into regular trade with outsiders, it will likely be the beginning of the end of their way of life.

One vid I saw claimed that it's unlikely they know how to make fire. One imagines that flint might be hard to come by on that island.
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Another report said multiple points of light were seen coming from the island. More'n one way to make a fire.
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Old 06-11-2018, 01:01 AM
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Another report said multiple points of light were seen coming from the island. More'n one way to make a fire.
Would be interesting to know the original way, the first way man made fire. These guys know how to make bows and arrows, using a bow to spin a stick to make fire might be the first method. Flint probably more high tech, all in all.

This wiki piece sounds pretty good already. Looks like flint is a more modern method. I'll finish reading it. They picture a guy using hands to spin a stick. That would almost certainly predate using a bow. Back in the hippie heydays there was a community that advertised training in primitive survival arts. I saw a couple of their guys demonstrating the hand spinning stick method at the Oregon Country Fair once. Looked like a serious workout. Callouses would be developed pretty quickly.

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Claims for the earliest definitive evidence of control of fire by a member of Homo range from 1.7 to 0.2 million years ago (Mya). Evidence for the controlled use of fire by Homo erectus, beginning some 600,000 years ago, has wide scholarly support. Flint blades burned in fires roughly 300,000 years ago were found near fossils of early but not entirely modern Homo sapiens in Morocco. Evidence of widespread control of fire by anatomically modern humans dates to approximately 125,000 years ago.
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Interesting!

Thanks for links.
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I imagine the first use would have come from lightning strikes and or lava flows. Once the use of fire was discovered to be beneficial they developed other ways to create it. I read recently that the cooking of food led to our developing our large powerful brains.
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Sounds like they have a pretty effective immigration plan to me. Too bad the native American Indians did not have as good a plan.
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I perused the wiki and didn’t see the 55,000 to 60,000 years. That predates the flood. I can accept all the other information, but the time frame statement doesn’t work.
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I perused the wiki and didnít see the 55,000 to 60,000 years. That predates the flood. I can accept all the other information, but the time frame statement doesnít work.
i guess you mean the noah flood?
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I imagine the first use would have come from lightning strikes and or lava flows. Once the use of fire was discovered to be beneficial they developed other ways to create it. I read recently that the cooking of food led to our developing our large powerful brains.
That's been my thought. I can only imagine that primitive groups who had never seen fire were shocked and amazed at the sight of forest fires. To say nothing of the touch. God only knows what sort of fire-making experimentation took place by early humans who witnessed forest fires.

I can only imagine that the first person in any tribe or region who managed to produce a controlled fire by spinning a stick in the hands became a sort of rock star or chieftan.

I've also read that about cooking food, also apparently gaining the ability to successfully hunt game on a regular basis was part of that. It's a harsh reality for people who think vegetarianism and/or raw foods will set them free, or exalt them somehow.
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I perused the wiki and didn’t see the 55,000 to 60,000 years. That predates the flood. I can accept all the other information, but the time frame statement doesn’t work.
Sorry Larry, I really doubt the entire land mass of the world was flooded, covered in water, you name it, during the era of humans. Could well have been the formation of the Black Sea from the flooding at the Dardanelles that led to the myth.

I was incorrect on the 60,000 years as possible age of the tribe. The estimate is 50,000 years. But who knows, either figure would be hard to verify, especially without a blood test sample from one of them. I hope that never happens but who knows.

As for making fire, the timeline was much older than 55,000 or 60,000 years ago.
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I perused the wiki and didnít see the 55,000 to 60,000 years. That predates the flood. I can accept all the other information, but the time frame statement doesnít work.
It doesnr work if you apply a hocus pocus religious event to it sure. Reality is a different matter
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Sorry Larry, I really doubt the entire land mass of the world was flooded, covered in water, you name it, during the era of humans. Could well have been the formation of the Black Sea from the flooding at the Dardanelles that led to the myth.

I was incorrect on the 60,000 years as possible age of the tribe. The estimate is 50,000 years. But who knows, either figure would be hard to verify, especially without a blood test sample from one of them. I hope that never happens but who knows.

As for making fire, the timeline was much older than 55,000 or 60,000 years ago.
The flood myth spans a lot more cultures than just the Levant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

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