Just curious today, do you know of any studies that explain why men do stupid stuff - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Texasgeezer · #1 08-29-2022, 04:08 PM

Looking for answers on the internet on why men, and sometimes women, do stupid stuff when overly horny, especially young people.

Found this:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316001989_Single-Dose_Testosterone_Administration_Impairs_Cognitive_Reflection_in_Men

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0265693 lots of words, hard for me to understand result

Any other scientific/honest studies that better explain what happens?

Personally I think this topic should be covered early in a person's life so they can mentally prepare and fight against stupid behavior.

merc lover · #2 08-29-2022, 08:18 PM

One day an investigative reporter waltzed into the local marriage commissioner's office to ask a few basic questions.

Reporter: Has anyone come to you and asked you what the legal ramifications/consequences of obtaining a marriage license are?

Marriage commissioner: No, most of the people who come in here are in heat.

davidmash · #3 08-30-2022, 12:27 AM

What kind of stupid thing are we talking about? I think there motivation will be different depending upon what stupid thing we are talking about.

Stupid is also subjective. The first TV I got on my own was a 42" Sony rear projection. I think it was about $1200 back in the mid 90's. I was single, could afford it and I wanted it. One could easily argue that it was stupid. The money could have been saved for something more important.

Dated some women, who in hind sight, were not good for me. They helped me grow and it gave me experience to figure out what I did want.

Things can be both stupid and not stupid....perhaps.

merc lover · #4 08-30-2022, 12:49 AM

Here's from the "when a man's wife passes away, he sometimes goes and does something REALLY STUPID" file. I know of three cases where immediately after the man's wife passed away, a genuine 100% GOLD DIGGING B*TCH moved into his life and began to take his money and other valuables.

In some of the cases, the gold digger took a LOT.....

Tony H · #5 08-30-2022, 01:24 AM

If my wife ever passed before me I can't imagine getting hooked up with someone that has 50+ years of baggage but I guess one's mindset might change.

Texasgeezer · #6 08-30-2022, 11:54 AM

I asked the question primarily because of the recent Matt Araiza publicity:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34472012/buffalo-bills-release-punter-matt-araiza-wake-gang-rape-lawsuit

Basically brought up thoughts of some of the stupid stuff I did when young.

Question is ' what ' hormones, receptors ' are activated that have enough influence to override rational thinking '?

In my limited searching I did find that a continuous educational effort towards ' teaching ' drug users the harm done by drugs was moderately successful in reducing drug use. Just wondering if the same could be done to override the sudden impulse to do bad things when the sex drive is revved up.

davidmash · #7 08-30-2022, 01:02 PM

Okay....that does not even touch on stupid. That is pure evil. That is violence. That is sexual predation.

Stupid usually starts with ' hey everyone...watch this' or may be 'hey...I dare you too...'. that type of stuff.

When I think of stupid stuff...I think of things I did that were not in my own self interest. Harm to others does not fall into that category in my opinion.

Texasgeezer · #8 08-30-2022, 01:41 PM

Agree it is much more serious, but I still believe the rational thinking that should have prevented the rape, was impacted by the flood of something like hormones. So what causes the override of rational thinking during minor and major stupid behavior.

speednjay · #9 08-30-2022, 03:28 PM

Sexist thread

Texasgeezer · #10 08-30-2022, 06:21 PM

The 1st study I referenced, if I read it correctly found that a dose of testosterone impacted cognitive thinking. Cognitive thinking, as I read the definition of it is conscious thought processes.

Further research says that for men a little estrogen with the testosterone further reduces the cognitive thinking and increases the desire for sex. To me, this desire for sex plus the reduction of conscious thought processes leads to what I simply call stupid behavior.

I'm just searching for additional scientific studies that might shed more light on what leads to stupid choices.

Supposedly for drug users education can reduce drug usage to some degree. It looks like the same type education would help young people be better prepared to reduce the stupid behavior caused by a flood of hormones.

I was raised in a dairy and beef farming community. I'll never forget the first time I watched a prize Angus bull's behavior while being led into a breeding pen. Heat is a gentle word to describe the mood he was in. Rational behavior was the last thing on his mind. I think men can act the same, especially when young and starting out their prime fitness years. It just seems education about what is happening could counter and reduce some of the stupid stuff.

This stupid stuff seems to be primarily with the young people. Definitely not confined to men only.

vwnate1 · #11 08-31-2022, 08:24 PM

I think you nailed it .

I remember back when .

cmac2012 · #12 09-01-2022, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidmash

Okay....that does not even touch on stupid. That is pure evil. That is violence. That is sexual predation.

Stupid usually starts with ' hey everyone...watch this' or may be 'hey...I dare you too...'. that type of stuff.

When I think of stupid stuff...I think of things I did that were not in my own self interest. Harm to others does not fall into that category in my opinion.

There is a possibility that the same sort of stupidity TX Is referring to happens in females as well. I have encountered teenage girls who were incredibly horny around the ages 14, 15, 16. I was almost stupid enough once when I was in my late 30s to indulge with one such young lady. I will stand by for the brick bats and castigation about what a horrible person I am. I did not do it, I was tempted, you had to see this young lady and experience her actual aggressiveness. She lived on a 1000 acre group homestead up in the hills of Eastern Washington. With a group of back to the land hippie families, sexual permissiveness was in the air. One day I was doing some work putting together a small shed, I had a nail apron on, she and another girl about the same age came up and were talking with me, at one point she got up real close and slowly reached into my nail apron as if she was looking for something. I backed up, did not encourage her further. There were times on lonely nights I wondered why the hell not, I’ll be honest. There were numerous other incidents that I’m not going to get into, I’ll probably be called a liar for everything that I’ve said so far.

Years later (maybe 20 years) I encountered her and she was a born-again Q-anon-er talking about all the men who had molested her. Rarely have I encountered such a horny and willing female. Made me really glad, I mean really glad that I resisted the temptation. And she was one of these 15 going on 22 young women. OMG the body on that chick.

There is a distinct possibility that the woman in the story saw a chance for a six-figure payday. There is also the chance that it happened exactly like she said. But I will not be issuing statements about “evil” at this distance.

vwnate1 · #13 09-01-2022, 11:57 AM

I believe you 100 % but many men who are sexually frustrated (and rightfully so) won't .

This same thing occurs when women reach their mid to late 40's ~ to me I think that age is pretty close to perfect in women, they're not going to change, know what they want and how to get it, what to do etc.......

I know many men only think young women are good looking, they have no idea what they're missing .

You're dead right about how some young women are looking for a paycheck, or to get a foothold in life .

My then young son was just out of high school when his 18 year old girlfriend tried this and he dumped her .

He told me later "she said if you love me you don't need rubbers and I remember you'd said you're not going to raise up and bastards so I had to let her go right then " .

Within three months she was pregnant and planning her marriage to the next sucker in line .

cmac2012 · #14 09-01-2022, 12:26 PM

One of my better clients has a rental house in San Carlos, nice little place. One couple that lived there for a couple of years, I’m guessing in their late 20s, he was a high tech guy, seemed halfway affluent. I always got sort of funny vibes from both of them. There was some tension between them, and when I worked there when she was there alone she seemed a little friendlier then would be appropriate. Never remotely tried something.

The last I heard from him they had separated. He was not happy and vented his spleen. He said she had never had a job the entire time they were married, which I think was about four years. And he said that she was trying to get the maximum amount of money out of him in the upcoming divorce. It all made sense, there was something cynical about her, I didn’t really like her much. And he seemed sort of green and naïve.

Angel · #15 09-01-2022, 12:48 PM

Its pretty easy to me - name one thing that brings as much/more immediate satisfaction as:
-Orgasm
-drunkedness/drug impairment/being 'high'
-Being a solo/small group performing act on stage with a large and energized audience (?)
-'Cheating death'

you could name lots of thing (seeing others happy, helping others, feeding a hungry person, creating great(?) art, birthing a child, fufilling a greater need, drastically changing the world or local are for the better...) but none of them are as immediate or as 'euphoric' as my short list above.

If you agree that this is true (I'm sure ive missed something...)- then you are fighting years of evolution (?) that says "do this now, because it feels good now".
Maybe you can externally influence someone's actions ('she'll get pregnant' or 'you'll get hungover/arrested' or "If you try that and get caught, you are getting excommunicated').

My approach also explains why some women do dumb stuff as well (?).

Maybe this is the answer you seek - if you want men to be as risk-averse as women, change their biology to be more like women (fewer orgasms, greater consequences for inebriation, ability to bear children... This has its own drawbacks, but maybe some people are doing this on their own...right now...

(I said 'maybe', I'm not advocating for anything in this email, just explaining how I see the rationale.)

imo (I'm not medically trained) any attempt to thwart these urges with hormones/medicine is likely to be a temporary solution at best. or at worst - some other unintended consequence that happens when we start throwing chemicals into peoples bodies...

Thats all I got (and I -do- have teenaged boys in the house...)