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Old 12-02-2011, 01:41 AM
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That's just juvenile.

The employees of the TSA are just servants who do as they are told. They're trying to earn a living just like we are.

You've got a problem with the TSA system, and I agree with you. Unfortunately, since its the Feds, we're not going to ever get it changed. Once a system is in place, it will never be rescinded.

But, lashing out against the employees is just plain stupid.

That sound a LOT like the "Good Germans" talking about Hitler's SD and SS "employees", at least to me it does...

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That's a poor comparison. The perform a task..........they don't kill people.

You missed the point.

Which is about blind obedience to ANY rules or dicta, so as to NOT make waves or question authority.
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Old 12-02-2011, 08:53 AM
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That sound a LOT like the "Good Germans" talking about Hitler's SD and SS "employees", at least to me it does...

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You missed the point.

Which is about blind obedience to ANY rules or dicta, so as to NOT make waves or question authority.

I didn't.

There is nothing wrong with questioning rules and authority. Personally, I think that most of what the TSA does is a farce. It does make for good show, however, and most of the public believes it.

However, questioning the individual TSA members and rebelling against their authority in their arena is just plain stupid. They do not care and are more than willing to detain you, indefinitely, if you make a sufficient ass out of yourself. What, exactly, is the goal? Do you really believe that the TSA agent will go home and rethink his occupation or his rules?

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I didn't.

There is nothing wrong with questioning rules and authority. Personally, I think that most of what the TSA does is a farce. It does make for good show, however, and most of the public believes it.

However, questioning the individual TSA members and rebelling against their authority in their arena is just plain stupid. They do not care and are more than willing to detain you, indefinitely, if you make a sufficient ass out of yourself. What, exactly, is the goal? Do you really believe that the TSA agent will go home and rethink his occupation or his rules?
No, but if enough people treat them like utter dirt outside of working hours (when they can't do anything to you) while telling them WHY they're being treated like scum, maybe they'll go home and look for a real job, rather than a job as a government parasite!

Yes, I consider the willing servants of the war machine as bad as the war machine itself. Why war machine? Because if we hadn't butted our noses into the f***ing Middle East where they don't belong, 9/11 would likely have not happened.
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:14 PM
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No, but if enough people treat them like utter dirt outside of working hours (when they can't do anything to you) while telling them WHY they're being treated like scum, maybe they'll go home and look for a real job, rather than a job as a government parasite!

Yes, I consider the willing servants of the war machine as bad as the war machine itself. Why war machine? Because if we hadn't butted our noses into the f***ing Middle East where they don't belong, 9/11 would likely have not happened.
Well, we have a lot of people on welfare and they haven't offed themselves yet so why hold out any hope?

Another good point. However, like say a wool sweater, if you unravel one part, you might end up unraveling the whole sweater. Point is, all you have is that if we didn't intervene in the ME, this might not have happened. However, nobody can say what would have happened had we not. You seem to think there is a "free lunch". IOW, you think that if you don't do this, that will not happen. Assuming it is true for a minute, do you know what the consequences of not intervening will be? And how can we be certain of this? Maybe, just maybe, by not intervening we are getting the lessor of two evils. OTOH, we might be getting the greater of two evils. It is NOT that simple
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Yes, I consider the willing servants of the war machine as bad as the war machine itself.
That's fundamentally wrong, and you know it.

As mentioned previously, you're being juvenile. I had a sense you were in your '30s, but now I'm not so sure...............
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:42 PM
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That's fundamentally wrong, and you know it.

As mentioned previously, you're being juvenile. I had a sense you were in your '30s, but now I'm not so sure...............
I'm in my 30s, and I really don't give a crap if you think my opinions or notions are "wrong."
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:46 PM
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I'm in my 30s, and I really don't give a crap if you think my opinions or notions are "wrong." If you work in a "business" that I don't like, I'm not going to go out of my way to show even a slight modicum of politeness to you. Don't like it? Get a different job or don't ask me for anything, because the response won't be pretty.
Again, you connect the business to the employee who happens to earn a living at that business. You insult the employee of the business when the management of the business is the problem for you.

Juvenile.

Oh, and BTW, it's a general assumption that nobody gives a crap about what anybody else posts on here..........therefore, mentioning it just makes you appear...........well, juvenile.

FWIW (nothing I am sure), my discussion with Honus caused me to reconsider my own position of failing to show a receipt when requested at Wal-Mart or other box stores. I do not agree with the policy in any way, but blowing off the employee causes him to feel insignificant and embarrassed. Therefore, I will change my behavior if time is not an issue because we all need to behave in a more civilized fashion. The DB factor has become onerous in this society and I don't want to additionally fuel it.
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:49 PM
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Again, you connect the business to the employee who happens to earn a living at that business. You insult the employee of the business when the management of the business is the problem for you.
If the management found it harder and harder to find employees, then the business would cease to function.
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