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Old 04-05-2005, 07:37 PM
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Should I just replace the drag link or tie rods as well.

I have been informed that I need to replace the center link or, as I have deduced, the drag link by a state inspection station.

Is this link adjustable and will I need an alignment after it's replacement?

Is it a good idea to do more than just the drag link?

Any tips appreciated.

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Old 04-05-2005, 08:26 PM
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drag link is not adjustable. You could replace it w/o and alignment but I wouldn't recommend it. Replacing the link is easier if you are doing the tie rods as well. Hard to explain, but if you are using a pickle fork the stud from tie rod is in the way.

I just started a thread that shows how to do the tie rods and ball joints.

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Old 04-05-2005, 11:06 PM
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I saw your thread Robert, it is a great resource.

I am a little short on time and cash at the moment... and was hoping I might be able to shortcut around the full job a little.

Does compression of the springs keep the control arms in place so the tie rods can be inserted?

I assume this would be necessary if I were to attempt the drag link alone.

I thought I saw Larry Bible saying you could just knock the drag link out with a 3oz hammer... but I'm so clueless when it comes to this stuff I'm just looking for a little more guidance.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/search.php?searchid=262466
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Old 04-06-2005, 11:58 AM
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I have replaced just the drag link. No alignment necessary. An easy DIY.

A pickle fork and a BFH is apparently all you need. I used a lever like remover, no pounding, just tighten the bolt, and the joint pops free.

If it's working (tie rods), leave it alone. These parts last a lot longer than you might think.

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Old 04-06-2005, 12:05 PM
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The tool I used is the one in the lower center. There is not much overhead room to use the upper right and upper center type tool.

http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3738

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Old 04-06-2005, 12:56 PM
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I have replaced just the drag link. No alignment necessary. An easy DIY.

A pickle fork and a BFH is apparently all you need. I used a lever like remover, no pounding, just tighten the bolt, and the joint pops free.
Thanks, thats just what I was looking for.
Last question... Front wheels on and on ramps for this job? (I'm just a little clueless in this area)
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Old 04-06-2005, 01:27 PM
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There is no pressure on the drag link while installed. However. You must be able to safely get to it. So YES put the car on jack stands and that way you will be safe. Or ramps. but I personally prefer jack stands. Ramps seem so flimsy and unsafe.
You can borrow the pickle fork form Autozone etc. They have tool loaner programs.
You will destroy the ball joint rubber boots on the drag link using a pickle fork. BUT your installing a new one.
Now make sure the guy was talking about the drag link. You also have a steering shock in the center of the linkage and it does wear.
You will have to disconnect the shock to replace the drag link. Bolts only.

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Old 04-06-2005, 01:59 PM
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1) However. You must be able to safely get to it. So YES put the car on jack stands and that way you will be safe. Or ramps. but I personally prefer jack stands. Ramps seem so flimsy and unsafe.
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2)Now make sure the guy was talking about the drag link. You also have a steering shock in the center of the linkage and it does wear.
You will have to disconnect the shock to replace the drag link. Bolts only.

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1) I usualy work on a sloped driveway So saftey is a big concern for me.
I like to get the ramps on the low side of the car then put a couple of spare wheels with tires on them to catch the falling benz and prevent my body from being crushed. (though she has yet to fall on me )

2) Would that also be called the steering damper? He described the piece as being about a foot long and called it a center link and a steering component. Does that sound like the right part?
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Old 04-06-2005, 06:25 PM
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2) Would that also be called the steering damper? He described the piece as being about a foot long and called it a center link and a steering component. Does that sound like the right part?
I think he's probably talking about the drag link. When you have the front end on jack stands, just look past the wheel at the joint end of the drag link. When you rock the wheel, any excess movement of the joint will be obvious.

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:18 AM
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I called the inspection station last night. The Guy who did my inspection was not in but the guy who answered the phone seemed to think that the center link in their terminology meant the drag link or the link between the tie rods.

Got the car jacked up last night as well (one side at a time) and there was indeed play on the passenger side joint of the drag link.

Thanks again for all the feedback.
Hope to get to it this weekend.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:45 AM
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An alignment should be performed when ANY component has bee changed in the suspension.......otherwise expect to chew a lot of life out of your tires before you realise I am right.

Personally tie rod ends are cheap enough I would do them as well as the Drag link.......
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:02 AM
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An alignment should be performed when ANY component has bee changed in the suspension.......otherwise expect to chew a lot of life out of your tires before you realise I am right.

Personally tie rod ends are cheap enough I would do them as well as the Drag link.......

In general, this is a good rule. The exception is the drag link.

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Old 04-07-2005, 11:14 AM
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In general, this is a good rule. The exception is the drag link.

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Why is that an exception.....

production variances from manufacturer to manufactureer or even production run to production run of the drag link WILL yield differences in the toe adjustment of the car........look were the tie rod assemblies attach....

I guarantee you every single drag link assy out there is not absolutetly, positively the same exact width....

Now if you are talking the Idler arm assy....and not the drag link assy.....(which is between the tie rod assemblies)
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:48 AM
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When I changed my drag link I measured the length of both of them just for fun, they were exactly the same.

If money is tight keep the $70 in your pocket and see if your tires start to wear funny. More likely then not it will not affect your alignment.
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Old 04-07-2005, 12:29 PM
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I don't know what your finances look like but...

The tie rod ends can sometimes demand a great amount of force to free them from the idler arm and the pitman arm (at the steering box) Since R&R on the these things (idler/steering box) is vast compared to the tie rods I just can't recommend bashing away on them with a hammer to get the tie rod ends free. A pickle fork (or even better, a press) is a much better way to go. I think it would be impossible to remove the drag link with a pickle fork without first removing the tie rod. And R&R on the tie rod is pretty simple. And if your drag link is shot your tie rods are close as well. If you do the tie rods and the drag link at the same time there is no need to put the car on a ramp - the easy way is to keep three wheels on the ground. Do one side, put the wheel back on, and do the other side. This also keeps the steering assemblies from moving as well. I think the drag link is about $50 and the tie rods are $35 each. Afterwards get a $100 alignment from somebody who knows MB. So the job just went from $50 to $220. But your tires will wear better and you won't need to do the tie rods any time soon.

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