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Old 06-07-2009, 11:11 AM
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A new car will solve the problem.

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Old 06-07-2009, 12:16 PM
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A new car will solve the problem.
That falls under "complete systems" category.
But if you buy me a new Benz I will definitely award you the $50.
Now let's get back to the challenge here
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:21 PM
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Did you check the vacuum hose situated UNDER the whole fuel distributor assembly? That one is hardest one to get to and is often forgotten about. I would assume you have since you have done the air assembly boot which would require you to pull the entire thing off.

When you say temperature sensor, which one are you referring to? There are two. One is for CIS, the other is for the instrument cluster.

EDIT: I don't see an EZL on that list. That is the ignition brain so-to-speak. You may want to make sure its not overheating first and then maybe grab one at the junkyard...shouldn't be more than $20.
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:04 PM
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Did you check the vacuum hose situated UNDER the whole fuel distributor assembly? That one is hardest one to get to and is often forgotten about. I would assume you have since you have done the air assembly boot which would require you to pull the entire thing off.

When you say temperature sensor, which one are you referring to? There are two. One is for CIS, the other is for the instrument cluster.

EDIT: I don't see an EZL on that list. That is the ignition brain so-to-speak. You may want to make sure its not overheating first and then maybe grab one at the junkyard...shouldn't be more than $20.
Everything under the air meter is new, new boot, new adapter and new hose to ICV.
I replaced three temp sensors actually. Once for the CIS, the cluster and the fan clutch.
I put back my EZL after I swapped it temporarily from one I got at the junkyard. No difference.
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:45 PM
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So how about this little beastie?


I was going to suggest this one but after reading from the beginning, I see someone beat me to it. I just had a 300E drive me nuts and it was that sucker. Good Luck.
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:13 PM
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A new car will solve the problem.
The Professor has changed so many expensive items he just about does have a new car - at least in the engine management systems.

Professor. When you say you have tested items for spec was this statically or did you actually change the items and run them in the car with the same results? e.g. throttle control switch, EHA or throttle micro-switch.
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:21 PM
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The Professor has changed so many expensive items he just about does have a new car - at least in the engine management systems.

Professor. When you say you have tested items for spec was this statically or did you actually change the items and run them in the car with the same results? e.g. throttle control switch, EHA or throttle micro-switch.
I tested according to Bosch/Mercedes specs for CIS. Some were with the engine off and some with engine on. The throttle control switch was tested offline with an ohmmeter to make sure that it made contact upon closing then it was tested connected and power one where I measured voltage as I hit the throttle hence opening the switch. It's consistent.
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What is the idle speed?

Since everything else checks out im thinking you might want to check the torque converter.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:22 PM
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I checked that and compared to another unit just to make sure. They both gave the same readings off line and while in the car. Statistically that means they are fine.
However, did you physically remove it and check for wear/dead spots on the surface? That thing can cause a lot of weird issues when worn....

I vote for that, or a malfunctioning EZL unit (on the fender)....as was mentioned earlier, it would be a cheap and easy swap with a junk yard one. In fact, the yard by me has two 190e 2.3's in it right now, I'm available to pull and sell/ship them if wanted.
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What is the idle speed?

Since everything else checks out im thinking you might want to check the torque converter.
Idle speed while in park is around 800 but when in gear and at a stop it's 600 or even 500 and when in gear and at a stop the economy gauge is 1/4 of the way in which my 560 SEL doesn't do at all.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:38 PM
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However, did you physically remove it and check for wear/dead spots on the surface? That thing can cause a lot of weird issues when worn....

I vote for that, or a malfunctioning EZL unit (on the fender)....as was mentioned earlier, it would be a cheap and easy swap with a junk yard one. In fact, the yard by me has two 190e 2.3's in it right now, I'm available to pull and sell/ship them if wanted.
I did open the spare one to check the rheostat path and it looked like normal wear. Not perfect but no spotting.
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:18 PM
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i think 79Mercy got something; does your car have a lockup torque converter? had a nissan sentra that would stall...the converter wouldn't unlock at times (computer fault not mechanical)....but i am not even sure if yours has a lockup converter
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:35 PM
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My first thought when I read this was the EZL. I have replaced several of these- They usally go completely out , but I did have one that did somthing similar to this.
Also check your coil. Make sure the leads going to it are not shorting out on the side of the coil. I had one that someone had worked on and had pushed the wires down far enough to touch the side of the housing.
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:28 AM
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i think 79Mercy got something; does your car have a lockup torque converter? had a nissan sentra that would stall...the converter wouldn't unlock at times (computer fault not mechanical)....but i am not even sure if yours has a lockup converter
They do not have a lockup converter.....I don't think MB starting using those until later (like '95-96+....)
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:29 AM
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Idle speed while in park is around 800 but when in gear and at a stop it's 600 or even 500 and when in gear and at a stop the economy gauge is 1/4 of the way in which my 560 SEL doesn't do at all.
That suggests a vacuum leak, doesn't it?

I've heard of fuel injector seals leaking air badly enough to produce rough running in K-Jet cars.

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