Now I've done it...

[Christine in FL]

Same '96 E320. Yesterday I did some housekeeping under the hood because it was really dusty and dirty under there. I must have gotten something wet in the process. This morning when I went to drive the car, it started right up and seemed to run fine until I got to about 25 mph. The engine rpm then went down to 1000~rpm and the dash display popped up with an ASR message. After pulling over, I shut the engine off and restarted it. Once again it started right up and seemed to run perfectly until I got back up to about 25 mph and then it did the same thing. Any idea what I might have gotten wet to cause this?

Christine

[rs899]

Didn't you see the "dry clean only" label?

Sorry- have no idea...hope someone else does....

[sdpartz]

Learned the hard way myself, did an engine wash an the car, a Mitsubishi Galant ran like crap , I blew compressed air in and around the engine, car ran much better, did not do that again.

[ohiomike]

Did any dash lights come on? It does sound like the car went into limp mode but you should have a light on. Let it dry out I guess. Just let it idle for 10 minutes then try it.

[amg280]

I did this on the same engine you had. I used water and learned my lesson. You will probably have to remove the plastic that covers the spark plugs, pull all the boots out, and blow compressed air in there. Chances are they are pooled with water. Check engine light?

[Douge]

Use a shop vac to pull water out of the plug wells. I had this prob once and continue to power wash the motors of other older mercs but am careful not to spray directly on the electronic devices and wiring bundles, fuse and relays etc....

[Christine in FL]

Well, I pulled the plastic plug cover off and removed and inspected the plugs while I was in there, but it didn't appear to be damp in there at all. I also pulled numerous connections apart under the hood and blew them out with compressed air, but the issue still persists... even worse now maybe. The ASR message comes up immediately when the engine is started now and it won't come up off of idle. If the accelerator pedal is pressed at all, the engine stalls. HELP!!!

Christine

[Stretch]

I have limited experience of what I consider to be modern petrol engines (yep I'm getting old) but whilst living in probably one of the dampest parts of England I used to spend many a happy hour cleaning and driving out muck and moisture from electrical connections with WD40 (Do you get that where you are? It is a sort of multi-purpose light machine oil).

Just keep going with the WD40 you'll probably find the culprit in the end.

[amg280]

I dont think that engine was susceptible to the bio-degradeable wiring harness. Having a car in that general vintage is tough. You could have gotten the EA (electronic accelerator) wet. Those things are known to go. I have a spare if it comes down to being that! Buried inside it is a potentiometer that routinely goes bad. Maybe that got wet. Its my assumption thats what it is, since ASR light comes on before movement.

You really should have the codes read. even though the check engine light isnt on, the ASR will store codes.

A brake switch (above brake pedal) is always good insurance with ASR equipped cars. They are cheap and easy to install.

Good luck.

p.s. It should still be drivable after the ASR goes into limp mode and cuts 50% of your gas pedal. You just have the push harder. Your transmission will feel like its malfunctioning but thats normal in limp mode.

[Christine in FL]

Originally Posted by amg280

I dont think that engine was susceptible to the bio-degradeable wiring harness. Having a car in that general vintage is tough. You could have gotten the EA (electronic accelerator) wet. Those things are known to go. I have a spare if it comes down to being that! Buried inside it is a potentiometer that routinely goes bad. Maybe that got wet. Its my assumption thats what it is, since ASR light comes on before movement.

You really should have the codes read. even though the check engine light isnt on, the ASR will store codes.

A brake switch (above brake pedal) is always good insurance with ASR equipped cars. They are cheap and easy to install.

Good luck.

p.s. It should still be drivable after the ASR goes into limp mode and cuts 50% of your gas pedal. You just have the push harder. Your transmission will feel like its malfunctioning but thats normal in limp mode.

That's just it, the engine won't come up from idle at all once the ASR warning comes on. I'll have to have the codes read tomorrow afternoon after work.

Another thing - I discovered a fuel leak just in front of the driver's rear wheel also. Must be the pump or filter I suppose. After I get all of these problems corrected, I think it'll be time to trade this one in. I've put as much time and money into it as I can at this point.

Christine

[sptt]

Turn it upside down and shake the water out. I'm bummed for you Wish I knew. BTW then...how are we suppose to clean our Mercedes Engines? By hand?

[duxthe1]

Most Mercedes engines are fine to wash but the 104 isn't one of them. Moisture gets down near the spark plugs and carbon tracks the outside of the ceramic insulator and shorts the plug. You should remove the 3 spark plugs under the coils and check for carbon tracking even though this isn't likely the ASR problem. If you find any carbon tracked plugs you should replace the connector on the coil also. An ASR issue after getting the engine wet points to a throttle actuator problem. Whether it's the actuator, it's harness, or the connecting harness will have to be diagnosed. If you search "throttle actuator" here you will probably get more than you want to read.

[Christine in FL]

Originally Posted by duxthe1

Most Mercedes engines are fine to wash but the 104 isn't one of them. Moisture gets down near the spark plugs and carbon tracks the outside of the ceramic insulator and shorts the plug. You should remove the 3 spark plugs under the coils and check for carbon tracking even though this isn't likely the ASR problem. If you find any carbon tracked plugs you should replace the connector on the coil also. An ASR issue after getting the engine wet points to a throttle actuator problem. Whether it's the actuator, it's harness, or the connecting harness will have to be diagnosed. If you search "throttle actuator" here you will probably get more than you want to read.

I will, thank you.

Christine

[amg280]

Originally Posted by duxthe1

Most Mercedes engines are fine to wash but the 104 isn't one of them. Moisture gets down near the spark plugs and carbon tracks the outside of the ceramic insulator and shorts the plug. You should remove the 3 spark plugs under the coils and check for carbon tracking even though this isn't likely the ASR problem. If you find any carbon tracked plugs you should replace the connector on the coil also. An ASR issue after getting the engine wet points to a throttle actuator problem. Whether it's the actuator, it's harness, or the connecting harness will have to be diagnosed. If you search "throttle actuator" here you will probably get more than you want to read.

I completely agree here. The M104 does NOT like water. I had so much water in my plug holes (yes i made the mistake of cleaning the engine), that the check engine light came on, it barely idles, and pop's and sputterd like a 60's american muscle car. It did not have anything to do with the ASR.

[amg280]

Originally Posted by Christine in FL

That's just it, the engine won't come up from idle at all once the ASR warning comes on. I'll have to have the codes read tomorrow afternoon after work.

Another thing - I discovered a fuel leak just in front of the driver's rear wheel also. Must be the pump or filter I suppose. After I get all of these problems corrected, I think it'll be time to trade this one in. I've put as much time and money into it as I can at this point.

Christine

Well now you know where they get the saying, "The most expensive mercedes is an older one"

The fuel leak couldnt be from rust or corrosion could it? That would be a pita. If its a union at a hose, its probably not that big of a deal to fix.

Just my personal opinion here and will probably get heckled for it, I think the W210's are JUNK. My indy thinks so, the local MB dealer thinks so, the list goes on. MB knows they were junk but took a blind eye when it came to certain warranty repairs. Makes me wonder why most, if not all german auto manufactures offer 12 year rust warranty, while MB still only offers 4 years. My mom had a brand new 2001 E320 and it was completely rusted out at 30K. They make hyundias that will outlast that by at least 7 years. While hers does have the M112 modular V6 engine and you have the venereable M104 inline 6 (i think is better by far), they are essensially the same car.

List the ASR codes and hopefully we can help you proceed from there. Good luck. I went through this with my last car. I wish it didnt have ASR. I had to replace a host of things, including the neutral safety switch.