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Old 03-08-2002, 10:18 PM
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Question 190e 2.3-16?

I saw a 190 e 2.3-16 and was interested in buying it year 1987.
it was in mint condition and ran well.
My question is are those cars any good.
they were asking 18k it had 120k on the dash.

Shud i buy it will i be let down, does this car run or what?
os shud i just go to a 300e?
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Old 03-08-2002, 10:25 PM
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The price seems a bit high. $8K would be reasonable for one in "mint" condition.
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Old 03-09-2002, 04:50 AM
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These cars do run! The euro models run 143 mph in street form. $18K is the highest asking price i've ever seen. I know of several recent sales. $6k to $8500. mileage 100k - 125K. The higher priced car dyno tested at 179 HP, had new everything mechanical from engine sensors, valve adjustment, new wheels, tires, brakes, shocks, springs, and the list goes on.
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Following is an ad I found on the internet yesterday:

1985 Euro 190E 2.3-16V.
5 speed,
Metalic Black,
Alpine sound systme with 6 disc changer
OEM 16's with 225/45/16
Timing chain and tenisioner replaced & updated
Delsing shifter kit
Momo Benetton Formula One Steering Wheel
New belt tensioner
New alternator
K&N air filter
New Clutch & Slave cycliner
All Belts and Hoses replaced
All synethic fliuds
New OEM floor mats
Euro stainless steel engine pipe & exhaust from timevalve.com
New Tags
All records
All OEM parts
All maintenaces up to date
Smog certified
95000 miles
No dents or scratches
Run snd looks excellent in & out. almost flawess!
Car is in Los Angeles, so there is no rust at all.
Very Rare.

Selling bc of personal problems.

$9000 obo. pls contact optionoperator@yahoo.com (John
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Old 03-09-2002, 10:51 AM
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These cars go from $6-12K depending on condition. I have bought several for around $2500 with problems. IN no way would any 16V be worth $18K unless it had 10,000 miles or less.
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Old 03-09-2002, 04:19 PM
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i found another one for $7000

I found another 190e 2.3 -16v for $7000, it runs good, yr 87, do u think thats a good buy.or shud i just get a 300 e or 400e.
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Old 03-09-2002, 08:03 PM
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If you haven't driven a 2.3-16, drive it and see if you like it. It is a totally different beast than a 300E or a 400E. I have several MBs and my two daughters, my son and I perfer the 2.3-16 and my wife takes her turbodiesel.
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Old 03-11-2002, 12:43 AM
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are theese car very fast?

How is the response and speed on these cars, i would really like to buy one. I sthe manual tranny batter thanthe auto tranny or does it make a difference.
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Old 03-11-2002, 11:11 AM
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Howdy,

I purchased an 86 16v in august, and have been very happy thus far. I believe the 0-60 is approx 8.4 in stock condition, and the handling has been praised by people who are far more knowledgable than I.

If possible, purchase a car with the timing chain tensioner update already done by a reputable shop. This is a 1k+ fix, but if not done the timing chain is prone to failure, and all of those 16 valves will probably be toasted, making it a 5k+ job. Do a search on this site, you'll find alot of good info concerning the 16v.

About the automatic vs. stick...why would you get a performance car without a manual tranny? Perhaps this is a Zen thing, but I wouldn't trade mine for the world.

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Old 03-11-2002, 02:44 PM
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Hi there.

Just to give you an idea, I bought my 16v 2 years ago with 51,000 miles on the clock for CDN$17,000. call it about USD$12,000.

a well taken care of 16V should run you no more than about USD$10K these days.

I wouldn't worry too much about the mileage if it can be proven that the car has been well taken care off and has seen regular maintenance.

the only major areas of interest would be the timing chain and tensioner, suspension bushings, SLS, and tranny. specifically 2nd & 3rd gear synchros.
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Old 03-11-2002, 05:46 PM
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It's hard to compare a 2.3-16 to a 3 or 400E, different birds altogether. Depends what you're looking to get out of a car. The 2.3-16 offers a unique driving experience, and I believe the factory 0-60 claim was more toward 7.4 or so.

Your more recently found car for sale is tough to judge just knowing year and price. Like yhliem mentioned, it's not the mileage, it's the condition / history.

Email me if you'd like, I'm in CT and am reluctantly selling my '87 2.3-16. The ad is under my user name here in "Classifieds" for reference.

Good luck in your hunt / decision making...
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Old 03-11-2002, 06:13 PM
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to add my $0.02 to the 16v-400E comparison. essentially, such a comparison is equivalent to comparing a BMW M3 to a 5 series or M5.

Or, for those more inclined to think in terms of american cars, similar to comparing a dodge neon to an intrepid. they are different clases of vehicles, in market placement as well as philosophy. there simply is NO meaningful comparison.
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'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights
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Old 03-11-2002, 09:37 PM
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i just repaced my brakes

i just put new brake pad as well as rotors on my 190 e 2.3 8v and its squeakin,what shud i do to stop the squeak.
will it go away with time?
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Old 03-12-2002, 01:12 AM
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so, okay dudes. is it because of the manual tranny
that gives it more zest? how about a 300e with manual
tranny? that would give you more horses to play with.
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Old 03-12-2002, 04:26 AM
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joel,

the cossie is a special car for more than just it's tranny.

you really should try and find someone the car mag articles on the 16v. they unanimously applaud the predictable handling and the solid braking of the car. yes, the manual tranny adds to the allure somewhat, but the engine is special too.

based on the 8 valve block, cosworth was commissioned to develop a twin-cam, 4 valve, aluminum cylinder head which was more commonly seen on motorcycles and race cars (and the odd ferrari) of the day.

in euro trim, the 2.3L cossie put out 181bhp. when the 2.5-16 was brought out in 1988/9, it put out 195bhp. then of course there are the Evolutions. the EvoI prduced the same numbers but around 500 rpm higher in the rev range and the EvoII in stock form, produced 230bhp.

all of this power was easily managable because of the superb balance of the chassis. in case you didn't know, the 190E was the first car to use MB's patented 5-link rear suspension design.

the interior trim of the car was pretty special too. not every car comes equipped with standard, full leather power seats made by Recaro. the only options available in the north american model were, heated seats, power sunroo, and rear head rests. the car was that well equipped.

Add to all of this the rarity of the car (less than 2000 offical cossies were imported the north america in the 2 years they were offered here) and you've got more than just a benz with a 5-speed.

incidentally, the 5-speed is a getrag tranny with a racing shift pattern to facilitate faster shifts between 2 & 3, which are the gears one would use the most when driving in a spirited manner. and there's no overdrive. top gear is 1:1 so you have 5 power gears.

i, and several others, could go on at length about the 16 valve, but your time would probably be better served if you did a search on the 2.3-16 in this forum or if you looked up some of the following articles:

Road & Track Sept '84
Road & Track Aug '86
European Car Feb '98

again, you can't really compare the 16v to a 124. be it a 300, 400 or 500. you might as well try to compare a 500E to an S class. different class of car and therefore not really a fair comparison.

it all depends on what you're looking for. the 16 valve needs to be kept at above 3000 rpm to get the most out of the car. it's not meant for people looking for a super comfy, cruising down the highway experience. this car demands that you get involved in the driving 'cause that's how you're going to get the most peformance and fun out of it.

so, in a nutshell. if you want a merc to have a merc, you probably won't be happy with the cossie. it's a twin cam, quattro valve, 4 banger so the engine's pretty buzzy and the feel is rough and ready. BUT if you want to have a car that's somewhat exclusive and gets you 110% involved in the act of driving, the 16v is a good car to have.
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'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights

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