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Old 05-25-2002, 01:20 PM
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Question i dont know what to do HELP?

i have a 190e 1985 2.3 liter and when i got the car it ran like crap so we worked on it. Found out the whole head was messed up, so we rebulit the whole head and check timing and alot of other stuff when we put the head back in and after head it was in. So we start it up and it is overheating,cuggin,black smoke is coming out of car, the battery drains very quickly, spark plugs turn black.
PLEASE HELP I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
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Old 05-25-2002, 06:31 PM
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Black plugs, chugging (!), & black smoke suggest too much fuel...
Presumably you know what you are doing to be rebuilding this engine?! By the way if you're jump starting when the battery is flat it's very likely the fuse on the OVP relay (sigh) is blown, which causes at least hard starting and poor running.

Perhaps some more information would be useful?!

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Old 05-26-2002, 01:41 PM
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the altinator is screaming. sould that be the problem
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Old 05-27-2002, 10:22 PM
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come on some one help
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Old 05-27-2002, 10:35 PM
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I'll take a stab at it

it sounds like something is not quite right with the head. Was it checked for cracks? How bout the timing. Did all the marks line up like they are supposed to?
You probably need to replace the alternator too.
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Old 05-28-2002, 08:12 AM
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yea timing fine and just got head rebuilt and all new parts in the head
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Old 05-28-2002, 12:32 PM
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Maybe the head was rebuilt, but was it checked for cracks??? This is not done automatically, but should be.
Jim's referring to cam timing, was it set correctly? Very critical. I'd pull the valve cover off and check it again, if the engine is not assembled correctly, it can come out of adjustment at startup. Was the head torqued correctly? What torque method did you use? I've also seen plugged pre-cats cause complaints like this (except the alternator problem), you may want to try running it with the front pipes loosened from the exhaust manifold and see if it runs better.
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Old 05-28-2002, 07:41 PM
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all timing is correct line up nice
when the pointer on the bottom is a tdc the timing mark on the cam line with the right top of head
igintion timing looks good with timing light
bottom of chain never removed
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Old 05-28-2002, 09:06 PM
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Contact David Solomon at www.motorminute.com

Snail mail him. or contact his Butler, MD. office.
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Old 05-28-2002, 09:11 PM
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where do i go when i get to the website
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Old 05-28-2002, 09:35 PM
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OK, so the head is still an unknown, I take it, as far as being checked for cracks and maybe even warpage. These engines are known to be neglected, and overheats are common, leading to head falures. Aside from that, it would also be fairly easy to just loosen the front pipes from the exhaust manifold to see if the pre-cats are plugged. We had one 2.3 in which the head gasket failure was ultimately traced to overheat caused by plugged pre-cats.
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Old 05-28-2002, 10:48 PM
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My fault.
Call the show on Saturday. He was a Mercedes tech, and he is a very good problerm solver, try to call first, start calling ten minutes before the show starts. The below paragraph is from the web site.


You can call our live show and get expert help! Call us Saturday afternoon******* between 3 & 4 pm (EST) (410)-481-1010 or toll free 877-704-1010

Where in Maryland are you? because RCImports in Rockville [(301-762-4205) they have a web site it, think it is www.rcimports.com] has an owner who races 190's, knows the cars!
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Old 05-28-2002, 11:21 PM
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baltimore, parkville
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Old 05-29-2002, 10:25 AM
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the proper web site for the rockville shop is www.rc-imports.com
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