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Old 02-06-2000, 02:28 AM
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I have another problem with our new 2000 E430. My wife says that after she turns off the car, the car rolls back a few inches. This is not just a slight movement. the dealer will not look into the problem. They say that they will allow 6 inches of movement and it is normal. To solve the problem, the dealer says, we can apply the emergency brake. With the gas/fuel gauge problem and this, did I make a mistake buying this car?
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Old 02-06-2000, 03:35 AM
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Why didn't you apply emergency brake(Hand brake)at the first place??? Makes me wonder....it's a safety issue, and hand brake should be used even if you parked the car on level ground. Besides, it's very harsh on the tranny if you park the car on hills ONLY with tranny lock....

So, start using the emergency brake.....

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If you look in the books, Mercedes call this a PARKING brake...I'd set it when parked. Just don't forget to take it off or you will ruin rotors and shoes.

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Old 02-07-2000, 03:28 AM
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Yes, PARKING brake....

Hm...I thought it's also noted that when parked, PARKING brake should be applied at all time..

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Old 02-07-2000, 03:39 AM
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Boy, I really learn something new everyday. I have been driving for over 20 years. I have never applied the "parking" brake on an automatic on level ground.

I guess I will just have to accept the rolling thing after I park. It is just too hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
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Old 02-07-2000, 04:34 PM
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As an old dog (over 57 years old), I am learning new tricks every day. In fact, I've always thought that if you don't learn at least ONE new thing a day, you must be dead already.

But seriously, all of the above posts are correct. The purpose of the parking brake is to hold the car before you engage Park on the gear selector. That engages a "dog" against the gears, and keeps them from turning. If you just move the selector into Park, and let the car roll until the dog engages, then you are putting a HUGE strain on the dog, and some day it may shear. The operative word is "someday" This can't be predicted (it is, after all, a piece of metal with finite strength and longevity), but what we are all saying is, why would you not want to "help" you car last longer?

I know, most of your friends with American Iron don't do it; they've never had a problem, but how many of your friends change their cars every five to ten years, and therefore THEY don't encounter this problem. But I assure you, some future owner (it could be you if you keep the car long enough) will have a "broken" transmission because of the lack of care.

So you are right in the final analysis, you will continue to do what you WANT to do, not what you can't teach yourself to do. And someday your transmission will break and you will blame MB for their lack of engineering, and everyone will nod their heads and agree there is no perfect automobile. But guess what? You could treat your car with the care for which it was designed, and you could avoid that problem.

But then, this sort of advice is similar to all of ours "old guys who've been there, done that" when we say change your oil every 3,000 miles, but let's not go THERE today.....Andras
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Old 02-07-2000, 06:39 PM
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Chris:

Thanks for the concurrence of your experience.

By the way, I just returned from the 24 Hours of Daytona, and saw Bruce Anderson, who is a guru of Porsche 911, and after catching up on our personal histories, I asked him what new things he has learned that differ from his earlier (like 30+ years of experience and advice) in his reprinted book, "911 Performance".

He says that he learns new tricks all the time, and has even changed his mind about many earlier recommendations, when he has learned new information.

Now CC, we are not chiding you, just trying gently to say to you that old habits that might have negative consequences might be worth looking into and worth trying new approaches. And when you do, you might be surprised as how the expereince of tohers might help you in your life with one of the best cars ever built - yours......Andras
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By the way, I just returned from the 24 Hours of Daytona...
Andras-
I was at the 24 Hour race at Daytona this weekend, too. We had a great time but, it was much colder than I expected for Florida. DaimlerChrysler made quite a showing with 5 of the top 10 finishers being Dodge Vipers. Actually I was pulling for Rob Dyson and his Riley & Scott. I talked to Rob before the race...he is really a class act. It was great to see the 3 Porsche 917's on the track in formation before the race.


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I was called for help twice in the past to move the shift level from "park" to "drive". The driver parked his car on a hill without using the parking brake. When he was ready to drive the car again, he could not move the shift level to "drive". I had to use my car to push his uphill 5 or 6 inches then he could move the shift level.

Be sure to turn the front wheels appropriately during hill side parking. If someone bumps your parked car from behind, the tranny could become "unlocked".

David

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Old 02-08-2000, 08:52 AM
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Bill:

Funny thing; as both a MB and Porsche lover, I too was rooting for Dyson, since I've met him and he seems like one of "us". I'll bet he drives a Benz, though at races one really only talks about cars, and nothing else. This is true in the Porsche Club ever since I joined 30 years ago; some guys I have no idea what they do for a living, whether they're married, or what. All we ever talk about is Porsches. Same at the track. It was the same at this 24 Hours of Daytona; there was no Porsche Factory effort, so we "fanatics = fans" were left to root for the slower 911s which had no chance. But did you notice that if there had been no privateer Porsches in the race, there would only have been a few cars running at the end?

David: I lived in San Francisco for three years back in the 70's, and the common practice then was to park your car on the hills with the wheels turned into the curb, so that if something happened, your tires would jam into the curb, thus keeping your car stationary. It was good to see that practice has not changed, when last year I visited SFO and found all the cars with their tires against the curb.

And yes, this is a parking brake - just look at all the cars with the P in a circle written on the "parking brake release" handle. The idea, "one more once", is to hold the car in place without putting undue stress on the Park dogs, and to keep the transmission from being locked up.

This is such a simple thing to due, that you wonder what other "silly" things people do becasue they don't understand the concept of mechanical thing - and I'm not even a mechanical engineer.

Oh well, as I had said before in my post, we will always do those things that we WANT to do, not those things that we OUGHT to do. It's just human nature......Andras
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