Another AC thread

[wildest]

Well, you didn't say anything about r134 conversion, but you may want to hit Rollguy's thread about the Sanden conversion kit he's making to use a newer compressor to get you cool. You may still need to address some of the vacuum pods, just to keep your tranny happy. And the more you do yourself, the more tools you'll need.

Edit: Rollguy got here before me..

[ROLLGUY]

Originally Posted by wildest

Well, you didn't say anything about r134 conversion, but you may want to hit Rollguy's thread about the Sanden conversion kit he's making to use a newer compressor to get you cool. You may still need to address some of the vacuum pods, just to keep your tranny happy. And the more you do yourself, the more tools you'll need.

Edit: Rollguy got here before me..

The compressor will work with either R12 or 134a. However, the compressor is shipped with 6 oz of PAG oil, so it will need to be drained and filled with the proper oil if R12 is used. That is why most people that do a Sanden retrofit go with 134a. I use a 134a charge port in the high side hoses that I make, assuming (I know I should not assume) 134a is used. If someone buys a hose kit from me and wants to use R12, I need to know before making the hose. I am very happy with the results of 134a with the Sanden upgrade, and see no reason to go with R12. However, there are some folks that will not use anything but R12 in these cars. I have no problem with that...Rich

[BillGrissom]

Originally Posted by ROLLGUY

The compressor will work with either R12 or 134a. However, the compressor is shipped with 6 oz of PAG oil, so it will need to be drained and filled with the proper oil if R12 is used.

The OP could also look at Duracool or Envirosafe (formerly Freeze-12). Both are hydrocarbons that work slightly better than R-12 and work with any oil (mineral or PAG), and use R-134A fittings. Next time, I might use Duracool's PAO oil, which sounds best (but pricey). There is a lot of information and even more mis-information out there, so read up, and determine for yourself if you need to worry about your car blowing up or catching fire (has never happened, probably extremely unlikely).

[JamesDean]

Originally Posted by BillGrissom

The OP could also look at Duracool or Envirosafe (formerly Freeze-12). Both are hydrocarbons that work slightly better than R-12 and work with any oil (mineral or PAG), and use R-134A fittings. Next time, I might use Duracool's PAO oil, which sounds best (but pricey). There is a lot of information and even more mis-information out there, so read up, and determine for yourself if you need to worry about your car blowing up or catching fire (has never happened, probably extremely unlikely).

Envirosafe and Freeze12 are two different items.

Envirosafe is a hydrocarbon blend.

Freeze12 is a R134A blend.

I had F12 in the 190E for a while, it was not nearly as good as ES-12A.

[vstech]

Originally Posted by JamesDean

Envirosafe and Freeze12 are two different items.

Envirosafe is a hydrocarbon blend.

Freeze12 is a R134A blend.

I had F12 in the 190E for a while, it was not nearly as good as ES-12A.

you are correct, but the company that used to sell F12 no longer does, and now they sell ES12, so the quoted post is sorta correct...

[JamesDean]

Originally Posted by vstech

you are correct, but the company that used to sell F12 no longer does, and now they sell ES12, so the quoted post is sorta correct...

Interesting I didn't know that. I dont think I ever bought F12 myself. I think my shop put it in as an alternative as I was working on the cheap at the time and they wanted considerably more for the R12 that they had.

I've always bought ES-12 from either eBay or Environmentally Friendly Refrigerant and Automotive Fluid Products - Enviro-Safe, Inc