I once ran gas thru my 190D 2.2 liter engine, til it quit. After talking to two Mechanics at MBZ shops and hearing their outrageous estimates for purging the fuel system, replacing filters and oil, I decided to trust the guys that bought out the shop I used to used. For less than $250, the towed me the 16 miles to their shop, did everything the other guy said (he quoted about $850), replaced the fuel, oil, filters and blew out all the lines. Then they crossed their fingers and turned over the engine. It was pretty noisy. A friend of mine called me there and told me to put about 4 oz of ATF into the tank. I did, and we could immediately hear it quiet down.

However, there are better additives that won't smoke if you overadd, and won't heat up the injectors. I don't know about the redline . . . but if made for that purpose, I would suggest it. Also, I can never say anything bad about Lucas fuel additive, except the price. I would try the Lucas, which in my opinion is really 2-stroke additive, with an injector cleaner. I prefer it for use in my Cummins N14 engine over ATF, although my fuel tank is where I dump my excess ATF after I top off my power steering unit.

Old school and unnecessary.

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1989 500SEL Euro
1966 250SE Cabriolet
1958 BMW Isetta 600

Thayer,

I would be remiss if I didn't remind you that the Basics ,Like Valve adjustment
and Correct Injector "Pop Off" pressures
(ALSO Compression differences between cylinders ,NOT related to Valve Adjustment) WILL NOT BE CORRECTED BY ANY ADDITIVE...
Redline,Lubri-Moly,Etc.,Etc.

So if you have one of those underlying Mechanical problems and the Redline,etc.Didn't provide the relief expected or anticipated ,the tendency
would be to blame the lack of results on the Additive rather than the
Lack of Maintenance.

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JEBalles says ARI is no longer around.
'Did someone "Take Out a Contract" on him for asking about ATF-as-Fuel?

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SD Blue,

Do either you or JEBalles have knowledge of who "Offed" ARI because he asked
about ATF-as-fuel?

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Is this a conspiracy of the International Petroleum Producers to make up for lost
profits by terrorizing diesel users into additional purchases of ATF?

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Valve adjustments and tranny flushes every 15 to 20. I love the way it sounds when it first starts, quiet and even. once it is warm then I hear the bits and pieces. I'll try the additive and if that doesn't work I'll take a saturday and do the nozzles.

It may be that I am just crazy and want it to be perfect. I put about 100miles on it a day and change the oil hot and often.

up till now I have only put oil in the crank case and diesel in the tank.

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77' 300D, "Cartman" SOLD @ 150K (didn't know what I had)
83' 300SD, "The Superdon" 325k+ @ 28mpg
95 E320 wagon, "Millennium Falcon" 231k+ @ 24 Mpg
95 E300D, "Sherley" 308k @ 33.69 Mpg, currently anticipating a head
99 Suzuki Intruder "Trudy" @ 45 mpg

I use the generic 2-stroke oil from Wal-Mart. Came out 7th in the tests -- brings it to euro lubricity specs, I believe.

Are the euro specs more restrictive than ASTM D975? Do you have a reference?

As a truck driver, there are a lot of products available out there that are red, and are certified for use in the fuel tank (i.e., Marvel's Mystery Oil). Agricultural Fuel or Offroad Use Fuel has red dye in it. The fine for first time use of off-road fuel is $10K, therefore . . . if they wish to fine you, they have to take a sample and test for the chemical presence of the dye. CA tried to get me one time at their inspection station, and I pulled out the can of Marvel's (empty that I kept in my truck), and when they tried to fine me for secondary thing, in case they couldn't make the offroad use ticket stick . . . I stuck the can under thier noses, and pointed out where it said it WAS authorized as a fuel additive. They decided to give up on their harrassment of me at that point and walked away . . . and no ticket.

Incidently, on all state and federal facilities where they find such things as discarded ATF, paint thinners, etc. They are all poured into the fuel tanks at the fuel storage . . . . standard policy for years . . . so I wouldn't necessarily worry about what's coming out the tailpipe. It probably has all that crap in it anyways, from a military base cleanup . . . =)) At least the state, county and federal vehicles . . . LOL. Did anyone wonder what they do with all that special collections they do for all the checmicals? They put it in the county fuel supplies and burn it off . . . the least of the evils.

ATF helped save my engine in a pinch . . . and I still do dump ATF in my tanks rather than carry around partial bottles of it. However, 2-stroke oil is better, and improves mileage, but doesn't have the injector cleaner properties. However, USA Lube, Lucas, and other such additive do contain the injector cleaner and are ultimately better for the engine, improve fuel mileage and clean the infectors without clogging or heating them up. I have used all in my MBZ, Honda CR-V and my Peterbilt.

You'll find out for yourself what you feel most comfortable with.

Torie

http://www.enertechlabs.com/Ultra_Low_Sulfur_Diesel_Facts.htm

This was written in 2006. What many people are saying now, like Craig, is that the intervening years of use of ULSD treated to a minimum 520 level has not resulted in a flood of engine failures. This does not mean there are not superior approaches based on quality versus cost.

The letter is long but I suggest reading it through completely.

you would have to post your questions one word on top of another...
streets
run
red
with
atf


god i STILL remember them adds...

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"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 560SL convertible
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
2005 Dodge Sprinter 2500 158"WB
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

Oil in the crank case & diesel in the tank sounds about right to me!!
Anything else is just not right!!

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I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

Ya know That's why i posted a link.
This post is way too out of hand. A post from 2000, the originator isn't here any more. And fuel specifications have changed. The Mercedes company of 2000 isn't the same company today. (And that goes for the quality also). FLAME SUIT ON!!!

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No need for a flame suit. There was a locked thread just a couple years back on this and then another thread started. Craig participated in those threads too.