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aklim · #76 02-23-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by benzboy87

I have been spit on, cussed at, punched, threatened, etc. and very little has been done to the student because "it was a product of his/her disability" (keep in mind I teach behavior disordered children). The courts here won't touch a BD child because of possible repercussions.
Here a special education child can only be suspended for 10 school days. Any more and it is an infringement on his educational rights. If a special education child is expelled (which can only be approved by God) the district is responsible for providing his/her education.
Here in KY several years ago a student literally beat up a school bus driver in front of the other children. To my knowlege not a thing (other than suspension) was done to the child. Big deal. That tells me - abuse an adult and then you get several days off!

Something is wrong with the whole system. I believe it is because of a litigious society in which we live. So many people are afraid of what MIGHT happen that they can't (or won't) do the right thing ie: discipline their children (be it parents, teachers, administrators, juvenile justice, law enforcement, etc.). I have seen many teacher's careers and livelihoods destroyed because of false accusations made by students and parents. In all but one of those cases the students/parents were lying. Do you think that that will matter to the teachers who will always be known as "that teacher that molested that student" or "the teacher that slapped that kid"? It won't. I know there are the Mary Kaye Letourneaus and the other sickos out there.

The problem is we actually believe the mindfux that tell us all this crap. Why is it that sugar is to blame for all of the kid's ills? Chinese New Year is 15 days of sweet stuff with tons of sugar. Why aren't the kids all going ballistic during the 15 days of CNY? By all rules, we should be having kid riots going on, right? Maybe it is because they don't believe the mindfux and actually discipline their kids, physically if needs be. Instead we listen to all the psych mumbo jumbo that is little more than voodoo and superstition. That, IMO, is why the kids are the way they are today. Sure, we were naughty but we also had certain lines that we knew if crossed would have dire consequences. My brother told my father that he was leaving after dad said he had to do this or something. Anyway, my brother found out that he had no where to go and ended up staying in a wood box that we discarded for a couple of weeks before he had to beg dad to take him back. Guess what, he never did it again. Today, the mindfux will call it child abuse and what not claiming it will scar the kid up for life. Well, he grew up better for it and learnt respect.

As to Mary Kaye Letourneau, all I have to say is "Why wasn't it me?"

GermanStar · #77 02-23-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by benzboy87

I have seen many teacher's careers and livelihoods destroyed because of false accusations made by students and parents. In all but one of those cases the students/parents were lying. Do you think that that will matter to the teachers who will always be known as "that teacher that molested that student" or "the teacher that slapped that kid"? It won't. I know there are the Mary Kaye Letourneaus and the other sickos out there.

That very thing happened to a guy I grew up with. An 8th grader accused him of sexual misconduct because she was displeased with a grade she received. By the time she recanted her bs story, his career was in ruins, since the incident was highly publicized in the Chicago area. He had already been promoted to vice principal and was to assume the position the following year. Of course, it never happened and he had to move to another state -- all because of some snotty little child.

aklim · #78 02-23-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

That very thing happened to a guy I grew up with. An 8th grader accused him of sexual misconduct because she was displeased with a grade she received. By the time she recanted her bs story, his career was in ruins, since the incident was highly publicized in the Chicago area. He had already been promoted to vice principal and was to assume the position the following year. Of course, it never happened and he had to move to another state -- all because of some snotty little child.

And who is to blame? The parents. Because they didn't discipline the child when teh child was young. All the school can do at this point is mop up the mess. I would have expected no less than an expulsion for that. I'm sure there will be many more skools willing to take that child in.

LaughingGravy · #79 02-23-2005, 01:40 PM

In 7th grade, the Herr would always arrive late for our class after lunch because he taught at both the High as well as Jr. schools and would need to make the drive after lunch to get to our class. He was never more than a few minutes late. As a result of having a few minutes in the class alone, we would hide the chalk, or, being stupid 7th graders, break it into small pieces to make it difficult for the Herr.
One day, he caught me in the act and chased me around the class, throwing chalk at me. Another day, he caught another kid and chased him under a desk, blocking him from coming out for the duration of the class, but still having to answer questions and participate like the rest of the class.

We really got along great with him and years later, went on a class trip to Deutchland. Some of my happiest memories in High School were with Klaus Sackhoff. Unfortunately, he has since passed on. I know he is missed one way or another by all who had him, even if they didn't stay with the German lessons.

Times were different. I think I learned a lot more and so did the rest of my class with a more lenient attitude of what responsible teachers could and couldn't do compared to today's standards.

GermanStar · #80 02-23-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

And who is to blame? The parents. Because they didn't discipline the child when teh child was young. All the school can do at this point is mop up the mess. I would have expected no less than an expulsion for that. I'm sure there will be many more skools willing to take that child in.

I know she wasn't suspended/expelled because this all came out at the end of her final year in grade school. I believe the teacher initiated a civil suit against the parents, but we lost touch and I don't know the outcome. Do you see the problem? One kid shoots a rubber band and faces expulsion, and another kid ruins some poor slob's life for no reason and skates. Where's the common sense in all this? When the punishment (or lack thereof) doesn't fit the crime, all respect is lost for the system. Every situation is different and should be dealt with according to its own merits, not by some zero-tolerance creed that, while appropriate at times, is wildly inappropriate at others. We're in total agreement on one point at least -- the blame lies at the feet of the parents.

Plantman · #81 02-23-2005, 01:55 PM

just got back form the school.

One of the A/P's who was conducting the weapons check spoke with me and told me that he has a good chance of being allowed back in , provided he complies with the terms of the program set forth by the intervention center.

I'll know for sure when the A/P who signed his suspension returns on Friday. In the meantime, they can email him school work, and can possible take the FCATS.

Thanks

GermanStar · #82 02-23-2005, 01:56 PM

Sorry for the hijack Plantman, but you know how one thing can lead to another. We're just keeping the thread warm for you until you're done taking care of business.

Plantman · #83 02-23-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Sorry for the hijack Plantman, but you know how one thing can lead to another. We're just keeping the thread warm for you until you're done taking care of business.

No big deal. I've hijacked a thread or 2 before.

Zeus · #84 02-23-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Plantman

One of the A/P's who was conducting the weapons check spoke with me and told me that he has a good chance of being allowed back in , provided he complies with the terms of the program set forth by the intervention center.

WTF? This sounds like bloody Langley!

Glad to hear things are apparently going to work out Plantman, but this really does seem insane to me. Glad the high schools around here are weapons-check, A/P, sniffer-dog and intervention center-free and kids can still be kids. I find those conditions quite sad really, and reflect more upon the state of the adult society than the kids in the school themselves.

boneheaddoctor · #85 02-23-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

WTF? This sounds like bloody Langley!

Glad to hear things are apparently going to work out Plantman, but this really does seem insane to me. Glad the high schools around here are weapons-check, A/P, sniffer-dog and intervention center-free and kids can still be kids. I find those conditions quite sad really, and reflect more upon the state of the adult society than the kids in the school themselves.

You clearly aren't from any major city......around here, shootings and stabbing in the schools by the students is not rare.......

letting them have a free-for-all is the worst thing tht you can do.

boneheaddoctor · #86 02-23-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by benzboy87

I have been spit on, cussed at, punched, threatened, etc. and very little has been done to the student because "it was a product of his/her disability" (keep in mind I teach behavior disordered children). The courts here won't touch a BD child because of possible repercussions.
Here a special education child can only be suspended for 10 school days. Any more and it is an infringement on his educational rights. If a special education child is expelled (which can only be approved by God) the district is responsible for providing his/her education.
Here in KY several years ago a student literally beat up a school bus driver in front of the other children. To my knowlege not a thing (other than suspension) was done to the child. Big deal. That tells me - abuse an adult and then you get several days off!

Something is wrong with the whole system. I believe it is because of a litigious society in which we live. So many people are afraid of what MIGHT happen that they can't (or won't) do the right thing ie: discipline their children (be it parents, teachers, administrators, juvenile justice, law enforcement, etc.). I have seen many teacher's careers and livelihoods destroyed because of false accusations made by students and parents. In all but one of those cases the students/parents were lying. Do you think that that will matter to the teachers who will always be known as "that teacher that molested that student" or "the teacher that slapped that kid"? It won't. I know there are the Mary Kaye Letourneaus and the other sickos out there.

When I was in the 8th grade there was a punk that liked to start trouble.....and well I was the last person to back down from anything....the third time he picked a fight in english class the teacher tossed him out and refused to let him back in....It was her class and she had enoughof his trouble....

Long story short he had to leave the school..and enroll in a different district....4 years later I heard on the news about a guy who was shot to death attempting a armed robbery.......the very same *********....thought to myself justice has been served.

cscmc1 · #87 02-23-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

You clearly aren't from any major city......around here, shootings and stabbing in the schools by the students is not rare.......

letting them have a free-for-all is the worst thing tht you can do.

Sadly, this is true. In my neck of the woods we're pretty lucky, but when I was in HS I saw a kid get shot in the arm (in the parking lot after school, by his ex g/f after he demaded she return his gold jewelry). The kid showed up to French class the next day with a BANDAID on his arm at the bullet's entrance point. Must have been a little .22 or .38 or something. The g/f? Her aunt (she didn't have a mother or father apprently) put her on a Greyhound bus for parts unknown to avoid the Police.

That turned out kind of funny, actually. The kid who was shot laughed about it... but I also saw kids showing off MAC-10s and things in their trunks after school. Crazy. I was only there (Tampa, FL) for my senior year (1990); Dad was in the Air Force and I went to 3 different high schools. I was as square as you can imagine, but stayed out of trouble by keeping to myself. The "rough" guys never really came after me, thank God.

That year, I also learned to tell who was carrying drugs for sale each day by the color of their pants. Interesting...

Zeus · #88 02-23-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

You clearly aren't from any major city......around here, shootings and stabbing in the schools by the students is not rare.......

I'll forgive the typically American assumption though. Let me park my hay wagon and I'll pull ya a glass of cider...

Toronto, our biggest city, has its share of crime but these kind of extreme security measures have not yet been necessary in the majority of schools. Some may have incorporated extra security, but to my knowledge, most are still "old-school" in their approach to students and security. Same with Montreal, Vancouver, etc.

Anyway, I've blabbed enough on this thread with my typically Canadian viewpoints.

Good luck to you Plantman. It just saddens me to see things degrade to this level, that's all.

cscmc1 · #89 02-23-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Good luck to you Plantman. It just saddens me to see things degrade to this level, that's all.

Well said...

Jason Beal · #90 02-23-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Plantman

Where do you buy a drug-testing kit? I've never heard of them. Pregnancy yes, drugs, no!

You could have a physical performed by your doc, and just throw in some bloodwork as well. He'd never see it coming.

That is what my folks did with me anyway....

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