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G-Benz · #61 03-23-2005, 10:44 AM

It's been proven through the ages that humans tend to separate people by some sort of category, no matter what. Only through some natural or man-made threat, do we as humans rally together for the cause.

Take India. Under British rule, and Ghandi's relentless pursuit of independence, the population rallied for the cause. As soon as independence was granted, there was internal strife between the Hindus and Muslims.

Same goes for Iraq.

It's unlikely that this behavior will ever change...

Syracuse315 · #62 03-23-2005, 01:20 PM

I think we may need an alien invasion then, correct?
Then maybe the Democrats and Republicans will be able to have an intelligent conversation for once.

boneheaddoctor · #63 03-23-2005, 01:48 PM

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I think we may need an alien invasion then, correct?
Then maybe the Democrats and Republicans will be able to have an intelligent conversation for once.

We could if the Democrats were willing to live in the real world...and stop dreaming things up all the time.

Syracuse315 · #64 03-23-2005, 02:13 PM

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We could if the Democrats were willing to live in the real world...and stop dreaming things up all the time.

I sense you are a Republican, and that you need a cookie.

boneheaddoctor · #65 03-23-2005, 02:21 PM

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I sense you are a Republican, and that you need a cookie.

WHat kind of cookie?

Syracuse315 · #66 03-23-2005, 02:36 PM

this thread is making me hungery.....and maybe a raisin-chocolate cookie

aklim · #67 03-23-2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Demorcrats try to convince their minority voters they need affermative action to be as good as everyone else....and never put minorities in positions of importance...

Republicans tell them they are equals and appoint them to positions of importance......

who really is the party of oppression.....here's the hint.....they still don't understand what the definition of having sex with someone really is.

I look at it this way. If I played with Anna K on the tennis court (love to play elsewhere with her), she'd hve to give me a hell of a handicap because I suck at tennis and she is way better than me. That is my take on AA. If you need it, you must suck and can't compete.

Sure, it will be hard to do without it. However, if you can prove your worth, the next generation will be better off. If we had done AA with Jap cars, I doubt they would be of the quality level they are today.

boneheaddoctor · #68 03-23-2005, 02:54 PM

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I look at it this way. If I played with Anna K on the tennis court (love to play elsewhere with her), she'd hve to give me a hell of a handicap because I suck at tennis and she is way better than me. That is my take on AA. If you need it, you must suck and can't compete.

Sure, it will be hard to do without it. However, if you can prove your worth, the next generation will be better off. If we had done AA with Jap cars, I doubt they would be of the quality level they are today.

Why does anyone who has the cards stacked in their favor (AA) need to prove anything...becasue they just whine discrimination...when they didn't merit the job, school slot or whatever to begin with.

Is anyone arguing to RAISE the bar for Asian students because they are over represented (due to better than average study habits and discipline) I don't think so becasue thats earned and deserved...

and Likewise why should someone who as a groupe prefferes to party than study....why should they get special treatment to "Level" the playing field due to their below average study habits and discipline.

No racial groupe is geneticly inferior to another, yet AA acts like that is so.

MTI · #69 03-23-2005, 02:58 PM

Which is exactly why race is not the sole determining factor in affirmative action. The Michigan State University Supreme Court decision makes that very clear. But why let facts get in the way of your opinons.

boneheaddoctor · #70 03-23-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Syracuse315

this thread is making me hungery.....and maybe a raisin-chocolate cookie

How about Oatmeal-scotchies....no raisins.....or penut butter-chocholate chip....

aklim · #71 03-23-2005, 03:00 PM

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Which is exactly why race is not the sole determining factor in affirmative action. The Michigan State University Supreme Court decision makes that very clear. But why let facts get in the way of your opinons.

WI still uses it. Hell, they got busted for photoshopping a photo of a black student in the crowd who never was there just to prove they are all represented.

In any case, race should not be a factor at all. Plain straight merrit. The policy should be "We take the top 1000 students and the rest will be rejected, no buts, ands or ifs." Now, if that is not a level playing field, I don't know what is.

Here is a question. As a minority, how am I to know if I earned that job, got into kollege or whatever by my own merrits or whether I was shoved in the back door? As a White man, how do I know that the person I am working with was actually the most qualified person? How am I to respect him and his achievements?

Also, as a patient, how do I know that doctor that is treating me is qualified because he passed thru the gauntlet? IOW, how do I know he is the best person to work on me? Why shouldn't I choose a white surgeon who had to work thru the legal discrimination as opposed to someone who was given a shove thru the back door?

boneheaddoctor · #72 03-23-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Which is exactly why race is not the sole determining factor in affirmative action. The Michigan State University Supreme Court decision makes that very clear. But why let facts get in the way of your opinons.

THe Supreme court decided that but the Universities use the "other Factors" to keep up the same old behaviour. Becasue they didn't need them before...why now.

Syracuse315 · #73 03-23-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

How about Oatmeal-scotchies....no raisins.....or penut butter-chocholate chip....

Where are those damn girl scouts when you need them......

aklim · #74 03-23-2005, 07:36 PM

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Where are those damn girl scouts when you need them......

I saw a bunch of them in the mall yesterday. They were a little too young for my tastes but I believe they will be there selling their wares all week.

kamil · #75 03-23-2005, 09:10 PM

I didn't think this tread would go this far so I had alot of reading to do. Since you guys are on the topic of affirmative action I will tell you that I kind of like it....Rutgers has two major campuses which are located in Newark and New Brunswick. Newark has about 3k students and New Brunswick has about 15k I believe. The one that I attend in Newark, NJ is the most diverse school in the country. The one thing I like about it is that it is really tough and there just aren't too many students that can compete with me in class. Most people in my classes do not take school work too seriously probably because they are not paying for it out of their own pockets. As I am typing this I am taking a break from studying since I am paying the full amount out of my own pocket which is about 10k a year with books. Professors are really good with most of them being doctors that graduated from various prestigious schools around the country. Just to give you an example of how people do not care.....My last Micro-Economics exam only 4 people out of 100 got an A (I was one of them).

I just don't know what is wrong with people in my school but like I said "It is all about competition."

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