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peragro · #**256** 11-05-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Works both ways, doesn't it? We're all biased -- we can each choose to embrace that bias or do our best to rise above it. I freely admit -- I find it very difficult to put a positive spin on a president who has misled his country in order to commit to a war of choice.

Yes it does. How we deal with our biases, which everyone has, dictates the decisions we make and our credibility.

Having said that; this conversation was begun with once again rehashing the "my pet goat" 7 minutes. Since no one knows what was said to him or was going through his mind AND that there would be no point if you did since there was literally nothing that could be done; the only basis for an opinion on that is unfounded speculation and bias. I.e. pointless. Yet this argument is a major one used to "support" the case that W is an idiot - there is no substantive argument there. As I said, it effects credibility.

GermanStar · #**257** 11-05-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Having said that; this conversation was begun with once again rehashing the "my pet goat" 7 minutes. Since no one knows what was said to him or was going through his mind AND that there would be no point if you did since there was literally nothing that could be done; the only basis for an opinion on that is unfounded speculation and bias. I.e. pointless. Yet this argument is a major one used to "support" the case that W is an idiot - there is no substantive argument there. As I said, it effects credibility.

I agree completely. Taking GW to task for something this trivial and impossible to interpret in any intelligent manner does nothing but undermine one's credibility. I did not participate in that discussion because I don't feel it's worthy of discussion.

Austin85 · #**258** 11-05-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

So what? Some people follow their intuition. Is there a difference?

besides, can you prove there is no Jesus answering believer's prayers? Can you prove there is no intuition guiding some crystal-staring flowerchild? It's all whatever you make it out to be. Ultimate truth, self delusion, whatever.

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Ok I posted this once before...I used to work in an office with a large clan of born agains. Extremely annoying BTW.
One day the copier broke, and they all got in a prayer circle and held hands and prayed to Jesus to fix the copier machine....If there is a Jesus, would he allow his followers to be this stupid??????

Brian Carlton · #**259** 11-05-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin85

Ok I posted this once before...I used to work in an office with a large clan of born agains. Extremely annoying BTW.
One day the copier broke, and they all got in a prayer circle and held hands and prayed to Jesus to fix the copier machine....If there is a Jesus, would he allow his followers to be this stupid??????

Well, if you have not a clue on how to fix the copier, then you might as well pray to the Lord for guidance on the matter...............GWB can do it...........why not these born again Christians??

Palangi · #**260** 11-05-2005, 10:22 PM

I have no doubt that is a true story. I have also encountered prayer meetings over the copier.

The Lord didn't fix it, but I did.

peragro · #**261** 11-05-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Palangi

I have no doubt that is a true story. I have also encountered prayer meetings over the copier.

The Lord didn't fix it, but I did.

Perhaps he fixed it through you due to their prayer. The lord works in mysterious ways...

peragro · #**262** 11-05-2005, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin85

Ok I posted this once before...I used to work in an office with a large clan of born agains. Extremely annoying BTW.
One day the copier broke, and they all got in a prayer circle and held hands and prayed to Jesus to fix the copier machine....If there is a Jesus, would he allow his followers to be this stupid??????

Did the copier ever get fixed or was it broken forever?

Carleton Hughes · #**263** 11-05-2005, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Well, if you have not a clue on how to fix the copier, then you might as well pray to the Lord for guidance on the matter...............GWB can do it...........why not these born again Christians??

Ha,ha,haaaa! harrumph! blphooey,very good,touch'e

boneheaddoctor · #**264** 11-05-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

A cease fire agreement with whom (I know it's an organization you respect deeply, or you wouldn't have brought it up)?

who begged us to let his sorry ass live...(Saddam).....who put most of the soldiers on the ground..(we did)...who paid most of the bills.(we did)...it wasn't some sorry ass organization who was kissing his ass for bribes that had ANY authority....(the theives responsible for the largest scam in history)

And you forget I had front row seats to that show.....I worked a Major Com center directly supporting that one.

Botnst · #**265** 11-05-2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanStar

Read the transcript of the first Kerry/Bush debate, then call me delusional. Oh, and please tell me when the UN condoned this action -- I must have been sleeping again...Next time, try refuting my points one by one, rather than ducking them under a single broad stroke. Or does credibility not count for much either?

UN neither condoned nor condemned the invasion.

Un did pass a dozen resolution demanding compliance, which were all enforced at once. Quite a savings, that.

I'd rather not read a transcript of Bush/Kerry. I sure as heck wouldn't listen to a couple of dumbass politicans going at it in expectation of truth and wisdom to emerge.

Your "points" were opinions and your interpretation of occurances, Germanstar. You're entitled to them. But I'll not waste my time or yours arguing about your opinions.

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Botnst · #**266** 11-05-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin85

Ok I posted this once before...I used to work in an office with a large clan of born agains. Extremely annoying BTW.
One day the copier broke, and they all got in a prayer circle and held hands and prayed to Jesus to fix the copier machine....If there is a Jesus, would he allow his followers to be this stupid??????

You made my point with an actual observation. Thank you.

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cmac2012 · #**267** 11-06-2005, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Interesting. John Kennedy fits your description to a tee. Even concerning the moon. My contention is that you and others just don't like W. Therefore you physically, emotionally and most importantly, intelligently, can't evaluate him any other way than negative. This leads to broad characterizations, as you have exemplified above and faulty reasoning.

Dude. I wish I could s'plain to you why it strikes me that you do not get what I'm saying about Bush, and what various stimulii led me to my sentments.

First, the notion that Kennedy is someone who I will automatically defend, support, and revere because he is the Camelot Democrat is not well founded. Kennedy had some good points as well as weaknesses and bad habits. Going to the moon was more innocent then. It had been a dream for ages. We were racing with the Soviets. It was fun. I'm so over it. Maybe a manned mission to place a robotic telescope a la Hubbel stationed on the moon would be a worthy aim. Of course that would require future landings to service the telescope. Don't know if placing it and servicing it could be done with unmanned missions.

However, a manned space station, particularly on Mars, is lunacy. Especially now, as energy reserves and access are sketchy for the forseeable future.

You seem to think that any dislike for W is based on utterly unimportant criteria and that those loosely in my crowd are pouting because it's not one of "our" guys in power. I don't like the man, I'll admit. Many times, I've seen him at press conferences, someone will ask a question, and he gets a look like he is summoning extreme patience mixed with a firm resolve to ignore the forces of ignorance. The effect is an utter disdain for opposing viewpoints. It oozes from the guy. Much like the line attributed to him by former close aide David Frum: whenever environmentalism would come up Bush would say, "Green, green, lima bean." The guy doesn't begin to understand many of these issues but he has no trouble dismissing a broad swath of educated America as a bunch of loonies tiptoeing through the tulips.

As for all the crap I'm getting for believing that body language and physiognomy provide useful information, I can hardly believe I feel a need to defend this. Suppose you had two different commanding officers that alternated duty. Suppose one was a good family man, worked out, no drugs, and had a great sex life. Now suppose the other had issues with his father, secretly distrusted his wife, smoked and did a little too much scotch now and then, and lusted after teenage girls. Do you think there's a chance you might notice something different in the demeanor of these two gentlemen? That one might seem a little more dependable, a little more manly?

I've known people who loosely fit these two descriptions and the difference is striking. The difference between robustness and sallow listlessness almost.

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Originally Posted by peragro

In fact, you are all so deep in it that you attribute these very characteristics along with lack of intelligence and morals to those who disagree with you. Given that hypothesis, why should you be taken seriously?

Uhh....sorry. This is some faulty perception. It is your hypothesis that should not be taken seriously.

cmac2012 · #**268** 11-06-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Okay, let's say I accept this bizarre argument as valid.

Then I find somebody who sees Dubyah and thinks ol' Dubyah is just wonderful. Our subject reads the body language and comes to the conclusion that the man is careful, modest and scrupulously honest. If you don't think it could be true you are twice deluded. "Once for tomorrow and once just for today."

I don't require others to come to the same conclusions I do. I'm not going to discard my life's worth of experience in dealing with my fellow humanoids just cause you think it's unscientific or illogical.

You're going round the bend on this one.

cmac2012 · #**269** 11-06-2005, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Did it? If Al hadn't been educated in physics he'd never have even conceived of the theory. His intersts, background, circle of friends, and education all played a role in his discoveries. Heck, so did his mommy's uterus and his great-grandfather's lust for his great-grandmother. If Og the cavewoman hadn't bent-over and just the right moment, Albert wouldn't have seen the light of day.

Next time you need a doc, go get one that uses intuition rather than science. Around here we call them, "traiteur."

Some famous quote has it that the primary value of an education is in enabling one to know whether or not another man is talking rot. There is no scientific way to determine whether or not another person is sincere or conniving, in any given instance.

A doctor can run various blood tests, etc. and come to useful conclusions. More and more, the notion that good bedside manner is invaluable in healing is being evaluated and affirmed. An ability and willingness to consider issues of the heart in addition to those of the mind yields improved efficiency.

peragro · #**270** 11-06-2005, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Much like the line attributed to him by former close aide David Frum: whenever environmentalism would come up Bush would say, "Green, green, lima bean."

Seems like you're really missing the point. Oh well, I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

In the past you've mentioned the declining environment. Things like species extinction, lack of natural resources, poor environmental management, etc... Why don't you clarify a bit and be specific as to what your concerns are. Please be so kind as to list scientific sources that support your claims. BTW, ALGORE is not a scientific resource and neither is RFK, Jr. So lets have at it.