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aklim · #1 07-16-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2k2s430

I suggest to those that are of the opinion that all muslims are evil should maybe go and do some research, go get a clue and then come back to the forum and have an informed and intelligent discussion.

I must say that we as Americans aren't really thought of to highly outside of the US. I wonder why?

Meaning what? That after research they would come to the same conclusion as you? Having been born outside the US and lived among them for a long while, I did come to the conclusion, based on my observations that the true moderates are few and far between.

Because we pull the same stunts as the rest of the world but on a larger scale? I have seen other countries that condemn the USA for some of the stunts we pull. OTOH, it is ok when they themselves do it. We are not perfect and neither is anyone. However, because we are the biggest kid on the block, we also get a lot of notice when we do it. When the little kid does it, it makes a smaller splash.

2k2s430 · #2 07-16-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Meaning what? That after research they would come to the same conclusion as you? Having been born outside the US and lived among them for a long while, I did come to the conclusion, based on my observations that the true moderates are few and far between.

Because we pull the same stunts as the rest of the world but on a larger scale? I have seen other countries that condemn the USA for some of the stunts we pull. OTOH, it is ok when they themselves do it. We are not perfect and neither is anyone. However, because we are the biggest kid on the block, we also get a lot of notice when we do it. When the little kid does it, it makes a smaller splash.

I think you missed the point.

aklim · #3 07-17-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 2k2s430

I think you missed the point.

OK. I'll bite. What is your point then?

Gurkha · #4 07-16-2007, 11:34 PM

You know, ferment is easily spread, and this is one case where its happening rapidly.

aklim · #5 07-16-2007, 11:38 PM

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You know, ferment is easily spread, and this is one case where its happening rapidly.

So are those "moderates" really moderates then or just wolves in sheep clothing?

Gurkha · #6 07-17-2007, 12:20 AM

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So are those "moderates" really moderates then or just wolves in sheep clothing?

So called moderates are wolves in sheep's clothing everywhere on earth, Islam doesn't hold a monopoly to it, evil is being commited under different guise throughout the world and with approval.

aklim · #7 07-17-2007, 12:26 AM

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So called moderates are wolves in sheep's clothing everywhere on earth, Islam doesn't hold a monopoly to it, evil is being commited under different guise throughout the world and with approval.

True. True. I agree with you that islam has no monopoly on wolves in sheep's clothing. However, your statement was that the fanatics ruled the moderates and kept them quiet while they perverted the religion. My question is, how do you know it is that way and not that the few fanatics went the way they did with tacit support from the masses? In my book, the terrorist isn't only the guy with the AK47 and bomb vest. It is the guy who built it. It is the guy who supplied the terrorist. It is the guy that gave money to the organization.

It is like if I bought you a car and gun to rob a bank. Yes, you were the robber but I had a hand in the commission of the crime. I cannot say I am innocent, can I?

2k2s430 · #8 07-17-2007, 12:36 AM

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True. True. I agree with you that islam has no monopoly on wolves in sheep's clothing. However, your statement was that the fanatics ruled the moderates and kept them quiet while they perverted the religion. My question is, how do you know it is that way and not that the few fanatics went the way they did with tacit support from the masses? In my book, the terrorist isn't only the guy with the AK47 and bomb vest. It is the guy who built it. It is the guy who supplied the terrorist. It is the guy that gave money to the organization.

It is like if I bought you a car and gun to rob a bank. Yes, you were the robber but I had a hand in the commission of the crime. I cannot say I am innocent, can I?

If the car used was manufactured here in the US, because then we could say the dealer, the truck driver who delivered the dealership the car, the assembly person, the manufacturer, all of the raw materials supplier's and all of the others involved in the process of making that car ultimately available to the bank robber are shareholders of liability. Now I am really going to bed!

2k2s430 · #9 07-17-2007, 12:31 AM

I am sure while you were living abroad that not every single muslim was evil or a terrorist. That is my point. When I was young I was attacked by a group of African American teens, I was middle school age. The ironic part was that when the white security guard I was yelling for saw what was going on he just kept walking. The person who saved my butt was a African American woman, she ran these guys off. After that experince if I thought how some forum members apparently think I would dislike African American men, I would aslo dislike white security guards, but I would like African American women. It is late and I have to work in the A.M. so good night.

aklim · #10 07-17-2007, 12:43 AM

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I am sure while you were living abroad that not every single muslim was evil or a terrorist. That is my point.

When I was young I was attacked by a group of African American teens, I was middle school age. The ironic part was that when the white security guard I was yelling for saw what was going on he just kept walking. The person who saved my butt was a African American woman, she ran these guys off. After that experince if I thought how some forum members apparently think I would dislike African American men, I would aslo dislike white security guards, but I would like African American women. It is late and I have to work in the A.M. so good night.

Not every single one. As I said, barrel of apples. A few good, a few bad and the others good on the outside but suspect in the core.

Been jerked around by Caucasians before too. I don't blame every one. If 3 out of 5 people with blue hats hit me, you bet if you wear a blue hat, I will be rather cautious.

Gurkha · #11 07-17-2007, 12:40 AM

The point is fear and the perception of not belonging to the group, just as in same way, the world patriotism is misused in US, its either you are with us or you aren't, if one talks of social welfare, then he or she is deemed to be a commie pinko. Same way, general fear of opposing fanatics, being considered to be out of circle keeps Muslim moderates in check.

aklim · #12 07-17-2007, 12:52 AM

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The point is fear and the perception of not belonging to the group, just as in same way, the world patriotism is misused in US, its either you are with us or you aren't, if one talks of social welfare, then he or she is deemed to be a commie pinko. Same way, general fear of opposing fanatics, being considered to be out of circle keeps Muslim moderates in check.

That is one theory. However it doesn't answer the question. How do you know that is the case? How do you know that the "moderates" are not actually wanting to covertly support what the fanatics are doing? Think of Lebanon. When they got tore apart by Isreal. Jihad Construction came around to help them repair the houses, etc, etc. It was to buy them over. Where do you think Jihad Construction got it's money from?

Gurkha · #13 07-17-2007, 02:28 AM

I agree, its in the same way people vote for someone who then goes on to invade a country and tear it apart, the majority moderates voted and approved. They went with the tide, all of us humans do, we love to be sheep and be led by the so called Shepherd.

aklim · #14 07-17-2007, 08:16 AM

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I agree, its in the same way people vote for someone who then goes on to invade a country and tear it apart, the majority moderates voted and approved. They went with the tide, all of us humans do, we love to be sheep and be led by the so called Shepherd.

There is a slight difference tho. There are all kinds of anti-war squawking and motions and bumper stickers to "Impeach Bush". Seeing how many muslims there are, (more than the US population) I should be hearing more than what I am hearing now from the muslim population, shouldn't I?

Gurkha · #15 07-17-2007, 08:25 AM

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There is a slight difference tho. There are all kinds of anti-war squawking and motions and bumper stickers to "Impeach Bush". Seeing how many muslims there are, (more than the US population) I should be hearing more than what I am hearing now from the muslim population, shouldn't I?

See thats the irony, I have Muslim friends of Indian and Pakistani origins in US, all of them condemn this act, its just that they would like to be associated with their mosque and religion as well and are therefore afraid to alienate in a way, also many Muslims I would meet would have initial resentment toward the Kaffir Hindu and surprisingly most of them educated as well, the brain washing and indoctrination plays a major role in it I guess, but then after seeing responses against Indians and Hindus in general from certain forum members, its no surprise either.