I know this has been discussed before, but the president and his staff is on the airways again saying that we don't torture but not defining what torture is.

I can't help but think when I hear of simulated drowning and water boarding of the sadistic experiments that the Germans performed on Jews to discover how far they could go toward killing someone and still revive them. They used similar methods including cold. Of course many of the Jews died in the experiments.

I discussed this with some of the fellows that I eat lunch with the other day and one of them, who is a VietNam vet, told of the practice of taking two prisoners up in a Chopper and throwing one out so the other would talk.

I come down on the side of following the Geneva convention myself. I want us to be admirable in our actions and I want them to know they will be treated humanely so that they won't fear being taken prisoner. Plus the information gotten from torture is not reliable. They will say whatever they think you want to hear if you are pulling their fingernails off just to get you to stop.

Tom W

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