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BENZ-LGB · #31 02-04-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Here most of the Mexicans I see are extremely industrious and are respected for that characteristic.

Tom W

1. No one said that Mexican-Americans are anything but industrious. Nevertheless the overwhelming majority favor government handouts.

2. How do you know that the "Mexicans" that you "see" are really Mexicans and not from El Salvador, or Nicaragua or Guatemala, etc.?

La Opinion, the largest Hispanic-owned newspaper just endorsed Obama for President over billary. La Opinion is a traditonally liberal, Mexican-American newspapers. Except for L.A. Mayor Antonio Pancho Villa, who is trying hard to become the next Henry Cisnero, and State Rep Fabian Nunez (who shared the same mistress with Antonio Pancho Villa) the heavyweight Mexican-American support (in California) is going for Obama.

That may be because Obama now favors giving driver licenses to illegall aliens.

Mistress · #32 02-04-2008, 01:19 PM

That may be because Obama now favors giving driver licenses to illegall aliens.

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Conyo- we have enough problems with legalized drivers...Obama with nature Boy, Al Gore.

t walgamuth · #33 02-04-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

1. No one said that Mexican-Americans are anything but industrious. Nevertheless the overwhelming majority favor government handouts.

2. How do you know that the "Mexicans" that you "see" are really Mexicans and not from El Salvador, or Nicaragua or Guatemala, etc.?

La Opinion, the largest Hispanic-owned newspaper just endorsed Obama for President over billary. La Opinion is a traditonally liberal, Mexican-American newspapers. Except for L.A. Mayor Antonio Pancho Villa, who is trying hard to become the next Henry Cisnero, and State Rep Fabian Nunez (who shared the same mistress with Antonio Pancho Villa) the heavyweight Mexican-American support (in California) is going for Obama.

That may be because Obama now favors giving driver licenses to illegall aliens.

Some of my children's best friends are mexican american. I do not speak of those that I don't know their country of origin.

As far as giving licenses to illegals....you think its better for them to be driving around without a license?

Tom W

BENZ-LGB · #34 02-04-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Some of my children's best friends are mexican american. I do not speak of those that I don't know their country of origin.

As far as giving licenses to illegals....you think its better for them to be driving around without a license?

Tom W

Ah...the old "some of my best friends are (fill in the blank)... ." Except that this time it is by proxy "some of [B][I]my[B][I] children best friends are... "

What next Tom?

And actually Tom, I think that the best thing is to have a strong immigration policy that severely punishes anyone who hires illegal aliens, that punished anyone who rents property to illegal aliens and that punishes anyone who offers services to illegals aliens (such as bank loans and mortgages).

And yes I do not want people, whose first act upon entering this country is to break the law (by entering here illegally) to be granted benefits that only legal residents are entitled to. And while I am at it, I favor a law that will deny automatic citizenship to the children of illegal aliens.

And lest I be accused of hypocrisy, I think that Cubans coming into the U.S. must prove that they are in fact the victims of political prosecution before being granted automatic asylum.

Any other questions Tom?

tankdriver · #35 02-04-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

And while I am at it, I favor a law that will deny automatic citizenship to the children of illegal aliens.

Assuming you mean children born here, that's asburd. Being born here is a definition of an American.

Botnst · #36 02-04-2008, 03:46 PM

Great definition when the country needed to expand the population quickly. Kind of dumb, now.

t walgamuth · #37 02-04-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Ah...the old "some of my best friends are (fill in the blank)... ." Except that this time it is by proxy "some of [B][I]my[B][I] children best friends are... "

What next Tom?

And actually Tom, I think that the best thing is to have a strong immigration policy that severely punishes anyone who hires illegal aliens, that punished anyone who rents property to illegal aliens and that punishes anyone who offers services to illegals aliens (such as bank loans and mortgages).

And yes I do not want people, whose first act upon entering this country is to break the law (by entering here illegally) to be granted benefits that only legal residents are entitled to. And while I am at it, I favor a law that will deny automatic citizenship to the children of illegal aliens.

And lest I be accused of hypocrisy, I think that Cubans coming into the U.S. must prove that they are in fact the victims of political prosecution before being granted automatic asylum.

Any other questions Tom?

Is there something wrong with my children having mexican american friends? Or am I wrong to mention it? I cannot quite get a grip on why you seem to be belittling my statement. You asked how I was speaking, how am I to answer other than honestly?

As for the rest of your statements I think I probably agree with them.

And if you continue to ridicule me I will go back to avoiding any direct interchanges with you.

I don't need the aggrevation.

Tom W

tankdriver · #38 02-04-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Great definition when the country needed to expand the population quickly. Kind of dumb, now.

How is it dumb? A country is a geographical area. How can anything make you a citizen of a country more than beginning your existence while in that area?

I must admit I have a stake in this as I was born in America but my parents were not, and I kind of like my country and would rather not have it taken away from me by people whose parents were born in this country, but not their grandparents.

Botnst · #39 02-04-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

How is it dumb? A country is a geographical area. How can anything make you a citizen of a country more than beginning your existence while in that area?

I must admit I have a stake in this as I was born in America but my parents were not, and I kind of like my country and would rather not have it taken away from me by people whose parents were born in this country, but not their grandparents.

In our country, laws count for more than geography or blood relation or tribe or religion.

Citizenship rules are laws passed by Congress, signed by the president, not Constitutional mandates, IIRC (easy to prove me wrong on that). Thus, a simple vote of Congress and a presidential signature are all that is required to change it.

B

tankdriver · #40 02-04-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

In our country, laws count for more than geography or blood relation or tribe or religion.

I also believe in our country, the son cannot be made to pay for the father's crime.

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Citizenship rules are laws passed by Congress, signed by the president, not Constitutional mandates, IIRC (easy to prove me wrong on that). Thus, a simple vote of Congress and a presidential signature are all that is required to change it.

B

Indeed. Citizenship rules are not the only thing that can be changed by Congressional legislation and Presidential signature. I'm not debating that it could be changed, but that it is stupid to change the natural born citizen rule.

Lycoming-8 · #41 02-05-2008, 02:19 AM

All of my late arrival ancestors (1850 to 1870) became citizens, so yes it made sense that their children born in the US were automatically citizens. None of my early arrival ancestors (1630 to 1635) bothered to become citizens. DUH... they were here before the Rev. war and before the Constitution, and all of their children were citizens by nature of the fact that they helped found this country. AND because those here before that did not have any IMMIGRATION LAWS !!!

So, NO it makes no sense whatever that the bastard children of illegal immigrants, no matter their origin, should be citizens of the US just because they are born inside our borders!!!!!!!

You sure couldn't expect to be a citizen of Germany or Switzerland just because your parents happened to sneak into either of those countries just before you were born!?! Or Mexico either, but then why would anyone want to sneak in there????????

t walgamuth · #42 02-05-2008, 05:56 AM

Who said anything about bastards?

Tom W

t walgamuth · #43 02-06-2008, 12:50 AM

I am watching the results of super tuesday. I said before that Hillary if the presidential nominee would not go with Obama as vice president (presuming he would accept which is not at all for sure) because they are from the same state.

After watching the returns in the democratic primary I think they would compliment each other a lot more than I thought before watching the results tonight.

It appears that in the southern states with a lot of black folks Obama is very very strong. Perhaps many of them are voting for the first time. Will they vote for Clinton with Obama on the ticket? I think yes.

IN California, a very populous state, Clinton is running very strongly. Will they vote for her in the general election with Obama on the ticket? I think yes.

This is the most exciting primary election I have ever seen with hard fought races on both sides.

The interesting thing is that the folks with the most money to spend are not doing all that well. Romney is slipping. McCain is strong with not too much $. And Huckabee is running very strongly on a shoestring.

Very exciting, historic night.

Tom W

tankdriver · #44 02-06-2008, 06:12 PM

Californians.

cmac2012 · #45 02-06-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Obama/the Governor of Kansas (I can't remember her name). This will pacify the feminists who had their hopes pinned on Billary.

Billary/Richardson: I know he did badly in the primaries, but he has presence (some would say girth), appeals to Hispanics, has experience and is well-liked in the Southwest.

McCain/Huckabee: McCain is suspect among conservatives and Christians, two of the core groups in the GOP. Huckabee will help McCain in areas where McCain lacks GOP support.

Rommey/Powell: 'Nuff said.

Now, for something fun....by how many points will the Patriots beat the Giants in the Super Bowl?

Good guesses, well educated speculation actually. Colin Powell with Romney? Maybe, I'd give it a slim chance and I don't think Powell would want to do it.

Is it just me or is Romney weirder than weird? Holy crap the guy gives me the willies.

I seriously doubt McCain would choose Lieberman. He's been of help to McCain but he's a lousy campaigner. Would be hard to get that "Joe-mentum" going again.