No.

A reduction in taxation is not the same as taking money from taxpayers and giving it to unproductive recipients.

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Since its targeted it is IMO, the subsidy give the inefficient industry an unfair tax advantage over other industries.

I am not against subsidies and tax breaks BTW I think the ultimate subsidy is no taxation on business at all....but its not a perfect world.

A tax advantage is different from welfare. I agree with you that all taxes should be equal.

They should be on the consumption of goods and services, not savings or income. Why pay taxes if you consume nothing?

B

Amen to that dude!

Only if you assume that the baseline is zero taxes.

Now exactly how is that different?

We aren't taking the money out of your right pocket, we're taking it from the left pocket.

Tom W

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Do you breathe fresh air, walk or drive on a street, live somewhere without rampant infectious disease, not have to fend off roving bands of thieves (or invading pirates), etc? You can't not consume nothing. The conditions which our nation cultivates to lengthen your lifespan require taxation independent of your consumption.

So, every road a toll road? Metered ventilators on every citizen? Hmm?

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Scalia was on 60 Minutes t'other night and lately making appearances (book out) and he likes to say that the constitution is a dead document, not as flexible and changable as the demon left want to make it out to be.

He's got a point, but some circumstances have changed so drastically since 1776, or whenever that some adjustment occasionally is in order.

Not sure the founders anticipated an ownership level of AK 47s, Tek 9s, etc. like we have now.

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Really? Some adjustment is in order? To what end? And by who? I own several guns and if I want a Tek9 or an AK 47 what of it?

What other adjustments are needed? Our founding fathers were brilliant in designing the Constitution!

Long live the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America! I don't care one bit if that makes me sound like a redneck!

The Founders allowed for changes that they could not anticipate. Its called the Ammendement Process, and it is clearly spelled out in the Constitution, itself. The trouble is, it is a difficult process--much easier to get a liberal judge to rule in such a way that you get what you want without all the legal hassles of ammending the Constitution.

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It can be amended but rightfully, IMHO, it is a very difficult process.

And it gives pols something to switch and bait with the voters. Talk about an amendment on some emotional issue like gun control, abortion,or gay marriage all you want, with no consequenses because the reality of it is so remote.

You can always blame all the other folks who didn't go along!

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The government may manufacture money but it does not make it. People who work make money and businesses make money.

It turns language on its head to suggest that not taxing is the same as giving.

My kid babysits. She thinks it's great and generous of me not to take her money that she earned.

B

Wow. I guess we struck a nerve, didn't we? If as you argue, one cannot consume nothing, then one cannot pay no taxes (how's that for convoluted negatives?). In other words, if you live and breath then you will pay taxes. A consumption tax merely adjusts taxation to the greatest consumptive footprint. Isn't that a good thing?

I'm not a fanatic about taxation, I simply think that where practical, use taxes are more fair than general taxes.

I like toll roads where practical like closed access highways, but fuel taxes could easily cover the funding of all roads -- if you don't consume fuel the chances are your contribution to roadway degradation is negligible. If you consume 100 gal/day then the chances are that your contribution to roadway degradation is something greater than negligible.

So the gas tax is a use tax, right?

What about fire and police protection? Do you only want to pay if you need them? (We wouldn't have them if that were the case).

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