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Old 11-08-2008, 03:20 PM
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Time to protect your 2nd amendment rights!

And this is a good reason why! Obama has voted to restrict our 2nd amendment rights in every vote in the Senate and here's what he had to say before the final vote was counted!

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4227

Join us now or you won't be able to later!

How long before the Fairness doctrine is put into play effectively silencing any opposing viewpoints?
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I've been a member since the Clinton administration. I didn't even own any guns when I joined.
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I'm fine with all of those restrictions.

And I'm going to enjoy all the NRA whackos going ballistic because they won't be able to buy an assault rifle anymore.

Boo.....hoo.......
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:32 PM
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Its not about guns, its about CONTROL and RIGHTS. When one that you enjoy goes away, you will start caring.



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I'm fine with all of those restrictions.

And I'm going to enjoy all the NRA whackos going ballistic because they won't be able to buy an assault rifle anymore.

Boo.....hoo.......
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:56 PM
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Its not about guns, its about CONTROL and RIGHTS. When one that you enjoy goes away, you will start caring.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


Some day, it will hit on his rights and you can bet he will cry blue murder. Till then, it is fun and games.
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:55 AM
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Its not about guns, its about CONTROL and RIGHTS. When one that you enjoy goes away, you will start caring.
The ONLY thing I'm going to do is watch you fellows blow a gasket when your assault rifles and armor piercing rounds are taken away.

I'm also going to enjoy watching you scream and cry about it.

"Oh.....Obama gonna come take my gun.....Obama gonna take my gun"




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Old 11-09-2008, 12:27 PM
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The ONLY thing I'm going to do is watch you fellows blow a gasket when your assault rifles and armor piercing rounds are taken away.

I'm also going to enjoy watching you scream and cry about it.
What is the big deal about assault rifles? As far as I am concerned, it is about somebody that wants to play soldier like they did when they were kids. Except without all the other bad parts like the hard labor, discipline, sacrifice. Pretty much like civilians wearing military fatigues. Why buy them when the military gives them for FREE? Oh, that's right, you don't want the other parts that go with it. I've owned 2 assault rifles in my time. A Chinese SKS and an AK47. Notice the past tense "owned". I came into possession of them simply because somebody needed the money and sold them to me for the money he could not repay. It was either that or nothing. If they were great guns, I would have kept them. Of course there was the appeal of people with the "oohs" and "aahhhs" when they found out I owned them. I could care less about them. Accuracy was not there. OTOH, the AK felt really good in my hands. Too bad it doesn't shoot as well. M16? More accurate. Too light a round for much. So no, I would only own a assault rifle if you gave it to me. For more damage, I would take my 30-06 bolt action as opposed to any of those military rifles. Let the military keep them. The issue is not the assault rifle in this case. The issue is that they are trying to ban one thing at a time as a way to circumvent the 2nd amendment.

Someday, your rights that YOU CARE ABOUT will be taken away. Hopefully somebody is left to laugh then.
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I'm fine with all of those restrictions.
Yup, they sound like common-sense restrictions to me. Like I said in another thread, the 2nd amendment doesn't give anyone the right to bear any weapon they like just like the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to say anything anywhere without facing consequences. Frequently it is in discussions like these were common sense is sorely missing.
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Yup, they sound like common-sense restrictions to me. Like I said in another thread, the 2nd amendment doesn't give anyone the right to bear any weapon they like just like the 1st amendment doesn't give anyone the right to say anything anywhere without facing consequences. Frequently it is in discussions like these were common sense is sorely missing.
If your intention is to stop guns from getting into the hands of violent criminals, the insane, etc, etc, I have no issue with it. I'm certainly not for everyone being given a gun. I believe if you are insane or criminally inclined in the violent sense, gun ownership is NOT for you. Just as if you are not doing something illegal, you should be able to PURSUE life, liberty and happiness. Cross that legal line and all 3 might be taken away from you.

However, is that the case here or are they trying to curtail guns one type at a time till there are none left? Using your example of the 1st Amendment, I can also say that you can say anything you want as long as I don't find it offensive and neither will anyone. So yes, you do have free speech. It just happens to have a few "common sense restrictions" along with it.

As I said, few (there will always be some) will disagree with you if you say "I don't want guns in the hands of unsupervised minors, the criminals, the insane, axe murderers, etc, etc". OTOH, the disagreement is present when you try to limit the guns one at a time till there are non left.
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I agree. Who GAS at about that silly old Bill of Rights? Oughtta rename it, "Bill of Suppositions."
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I agree. Who GAS at about that silly old Bill of Rights?
No one, including the framers, ever called it the Bill of "Absolute" Rights.
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My guess is that none of you can find a single vote by Obama to restrict 2d Amendment rights. Such a vote would be a waste of time and a violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution (I assume U.S. Senators take those).

Obama took heat from gun control advocates for saying that he agreed with the U.S. Supreme Court opinion that held that gun ownership is an individual right, not a collective right given to militias.
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No one, including the framers, ever called it the Bill of "Absolute" Rights.
Nor did they call it "Bill of Suggestions".
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No one, including the framers, ever called it the Bill of "Absolute" Rights.
Exactly!

Lets get rid of 2, then 1, then 4,5,6,7 then 3, then 8 and 9. 10 can stay.

Once we get rid of the 9 amendments we can get rid of 13, 14, 15, 24, and 25

In fact there is history on your side

The idea of adding a bill of rights to the Constitution was originally controversial. Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist No. 84, argued against a "Bill of Rights," asserting that ratification of the Constitution did not mean the American people were surrendering their rights, and therefore that protections were unnecessary: "Here, in strictness, the people surrender nothing, and as they retain every thing, they have no need of particular reservations."


Once we do that, we can monkey with the main articles
Let's get rid of Article 3 too...
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Exactly!

Lets get rid of 2, then 1, then 4,5,6,7 then 3, then 8 and 9. 10 can stay.

Once we get rid of the 9 amendments we can get rid of 13, 14, 15, 24, and 25...
I believe that you missed MTI's point. The 2d Amendment does not say that you have an absolute right to bear any arm you want. You have a right to bear arms, subject to reasonable regulations. The 2d Amendment says that right can't be taken away.
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