What happened to the OD forum?

[Mistress]

Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

Put the fuel in suspended bladders and fill the rest with bleed air?

Yeh...right.

I figured if they could do it for carb heat they can do it for wing heat. Would bladders last long or degrade from the fuel. Or are you kidding about the bladder thing, I am gullible you know.

[aklim]

Originally Posted by Mistress

I am gullible you know.

Really? Well, do I have some things to tell you.

[PaulC]

Are the surfaces in question coated with some type of anti-stick coating? Would painting these areas a dark, heat-retaining color be of some help, at least during daylight hours?

[WVOtoGO]

Originally Posted by Mistress

I figured if they could do it for carb heat they can do it for wing heat. Would bladders last long or degrade from the fuel. Or are you kidding about the bladder thing, I am gullible you know.

I’ve flown lots and lots of aircraft with bladders. Our PA31 has them. Not a problem.
The problem is heating all the area around it. Not to mention it’s in contact with the lower inside surface, and quite close to the upper. Not a lot of room for warm air. That’s why I said “suspended”. Which is neither easy to do nor practical. I was pretty much kidding.

Something to consider -
Think about just how cold it is up there, even without the moisture.
Now normally the icing conditions are pretty close to the ground (~<10,000’)
That’s why quite often, and aircraft that is experiencing icing can actually climb up out of the condition and let the sun take care of the rest. But that’s an ascending thing. Not a descending thing. You have a very cold soaked wing when descending from 35,000’+, dropping into icing conditions.

It’s going to take a lot of heat energy to keep that wing warm enough not to ice.

A good case in point regarding just how cold the wings actually get
And an interesting story, I think:
Years ago. I crewed a 707 from Paris to Dallas. This is the plane that was TAG Petroleum Research’s and on it’s way to being John Travolta’s.
We had PATS aux fuel, so it was a long soaking flight. The fuel we had on board was very (as in VERY) wet from condensation (and bad fuel) issues.
Keep in mind that the water in the fuel will not (readily) mix with the fuel and unlike the fuel, it will freeze.
Anyway, we land in toasty warm Dallas and within no time it’s literally raining from the bottom side of each wing. I mean serious condensation “raining”!! We soaked the ramp out about 30’ from the aircraft. (Think of water running off a class of ice water here, and we didn’t use a coaster!) The “rain” continued for a few hours during the de-fuel.
After de-fueling for the maintenance that was scheduled. They had a crew start pulling the wing access panels while still on the ramp. A look into the wing revealed numerous odd shaped blocks of ice some measuring nearly 2’ in size. And that was after sitting in the sun for five hours. We’re talking: It gets COLD in there !!

[WVOtoGO]

Originally Posted by PaulC

Are the surfaces in question coated with some type of anti-stick coating? Would painting these areas a dark, heat-retaining color be of some help, at least during daylight hours?

Good idea, but....Most aircraft do not ice up in the sunshine. Now that may help with a descending into it aircraft. But not for long.

[Mistress]

Solar panels? Or some type of material that would retain heat.

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by Mistress

O.K. let's start a thread on how to design an airplane wing that won't ice over.

First, build it for equatorial use.

[A264172]

Originally Posted by Mistress

Solar panels? Or some type of material that would retain heat.

Strip em bare and tie a couple of hot air balloons to those yardarms.

[Chad300tdt]

Originally Posted by Mistress

O.K. let's start a thread on how to design an airplane wing that won't ice over.

Better yet, design an airplane with no wings. No wings ... no ice problem.

[WVOtoGO]

Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

Better yet, design an airplane with no wings. No wings ... no ice problem.

That would be called a missile wouldn't it ??

Or perhaps a rocket ??

Go ask NASA about ice chunks and rockets.
Not a good thing.

[Chad300tdt]

Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

That would be called a missile wouldn't it ??

Or perhaps a rocket ??

Go ask NASA about ice chunks and rockets.
Not a good thing.

Why don't they just use the technology recovered from all the UFO coverups? Unless those crashes were caused by ice buildup.

[A264172]

I got it... build the wings out of ice, and allow mojitos to gently drizzle out over them from a storage tank.

[WVOtoGO]

Originally Posted by Chad300tdt

Why don't they just use the technology recovered from all the UFO coverups? Unless those crashes were caused by ice buildup.

Where have you been?
Everyone knows they were.

[panZZer]

Originally Posted by cscmc1

Ah, but do any of the "Pretty Girls" pilot a fleet of diesel Benzes? You're way ahead, dear.

There are three or four drivin around Southlake/Colleyville Tex I have seen lately,all in old 123's

[panZZer]

Originally Posted by Mistress

Solar panels? Or some type of material that would retain heat.

First of all let me say--Damn...I love your avatar 's. Now about the big inflatable things, when I was working for American Eurocopter they had a contract and a specialist crew for replacing the American Aagle turbopprops deicing boots and various other repairs. They brought in some guys from Mexico to train them and before you knew it--Yup the Grand Praire Tx crew was out of buisness,, But I Really would like to know how many veteran Continental pilots who knew how to fly this plane were recently let go to hire guys like this one with 3 mos experience--to save more---To give Continental executives those awsome bonuses.