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tankdriver · #46 04-08-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Ever refer to someone as a Redneck? Perhaps a Hillbilly? I know, I bet you've referred to someone as a Moron, right?

Specific person, yes. Is hillbilly a slur? The ones I've known haven't thought so. As a class of people, no to both. Calling someone a moron insults their intelligence, it's not a racial slur. In other words, I've intentionally tried to pi** people off, but never had conversations about rednecks or hillbillies as a people.

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Originally Posted by panZZer

if you had to live around them and work among them because Ccorporations want to REALLY take advantage of the out of whack illegal immagration situation---- YOU would definately feel different twards them-instead of seeing a few in the mornings trying to get day work, or paying your couple of them once a week the few monhts when your grass has to be cut up there. Some of themI would like to have here -The majority are vile criminals who conduct themselves sub societal here in Texifornia

I've worked with 'them' (illegal immigrants). About 40 or so. None were vile criminals. In fact, the only criminals I've come in contact with were... wait for it.... rednecks. That's evidence rednecks are criminals. How fair is that?

tankdriver · #47 04-08-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Aren't those all simply different forms of prejudice? What about prejudice towards say Chinese made products? What makes it so acceptable to say that the Chinese make cheap junk as opposed to this? Isn't it stereotyping in either case?

It's generalizing. Stereotyping is for people.

aklim · #48 04-08-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

I've worked with 'them' (illegal immigrants). About 40 or so. None were vile criminals.

How are you an illegal alien and not a criminal at the same time? Last time I checked the term criminal is as below:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criminal

1. of the nature of or involving crime.
2. guilty of crime.
3. Law. of or pertaining to crime or its punishment: a criminal proceeding.

aklim · #49 04-08-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

It's generalizing. Stereotyping is for people.

What's the difference? Prejudice is prejudice. Are you any better because you think all pit bulls are vicious dogs vs you thinking all people of decent X are such and so forth?

jplinville · #50 04-08-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

Specific person, yes. Is hillbilly a slur? The ones I've known haven't thought so. As a class of people, no to both. Calling someone a moron insults their intelligence, it's not a racial slur. In other words, I've intentionally tried to pi** people off, but never had conversations about rednecks or hillbillies as a people.

I've worked with 'them' (illegal immigrants). About 40 or so. None were vile criminals. In fact, the only criminals I've come in contact with were... wait for it.... rednecks. That's evidence rednecks are criminals. How fair is that?

Then you admit to being a racial bigot?

jplinville · #51 04-08-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How are you an illegal alien and not a criminal at the same time? Last time I checked the term criminal is as below:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criminal

1. of the nature of or involving crime.
2. guilty of crime.
3. Law. of or pertaining to crime or its punishment: a criminal proceeding.

I was just getting ready to post the same response...

Allow me to make his arguments, then blow them out of the water...

Him: But it's not a violent crime, so I don't consider him/her a criminal
Me: So, if I steal your car, without using anything but a screwdriver and my own two hands, then it isn't a crime, right?
Him: No, because you broke the law
Me: And so did the ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!

tankdriver · #52 04-08-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

How are you an illegal alien and not a criminal at the same time? Last time I checked the term criminal is as below:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criminal

1. of the nature of or involving crime.
2. guilty of crime.
3. Law. of or pertaining to crime or its punishment: a criminal proceeding.

See: vile.

tankdriver · #53 04-08-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

Then you admit to being a racial bigot?

No. A redneck may not be white. I've never called someone a cracker.

tankdriver · #54 04-08-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

What's the difference?

There is a big difference.

Botnst · #55 04-08-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

Specific person, yes. Is hillbilly a slur? ...

That's Hillwilliam. They've become gentrified.

aklim · #56 04-08-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

There is a big difference.

Such as? Prejudice is prejudice. Racism, sexism, anti-semitism, etc, etc are all subsets of prejudice as surely as me thinking German, Italian, US, etc, etc, made products are superior to others or that Rottweilers are dangerous dogs, etc, etc. You may weight them differently but you cannot deny they all fall under the nice big umbrella of prejudice. The only difference I can see is that one may be more socially acceptable than the other.

tankdriver · #57 04-08-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Such as? Prejudice is prejudice. Racism, sexism, anti-semitism, etc, etc are all subsets of prejudice as surely as me thinking German, Italian, US, etc, etc, made products are superior to others or that Rottweilers are dangerous dogs, etc, etc. You may weight them differently but you cannot deny they all fall under the nice big umbrella of prejudice. The only difference I can see is that one may be more socially acceptable than the other.

People is the difference. If you think Chinese products are inferior because Chinese people are inferior, it is different than thinking Chinese products are inferior because Chinese factories have lower quality control standards. This is another thing I would not expect to have to explain.

In any case, I'm done. If you think wetback is a perfectly fine term to use, knock yourself out.

aklim · #58 04-08-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

People is the difference. If you think Chinese products are inferior because Chinese people are inferior, it is different than thinking Chinese products are inferior because Chinese factories have lower quality control standards. This is another thing I would not expect to have to explain.

In any case, I'm done. If you think wetback is a perfectly fine term to use, knock yourself out.

The difference is what is socially acceptable. It is socially acceptable to say Pit Bulls or Rotts are vicious dogs. It is socially acceptable to say that the Chinese products are junk. It is not socially acceptable to say that black people are X, Y or Z. All of which are prejudices. In muslim society, it is socially acceptable for a man to have 4 wives while it is not socially acceptable for a woman to have 4 husbands. In our society, it is socially acceptable for a guy to be sleeping around with women and he is known as a stud. It is socially unacceptable for a girl to be sleeping around with men and she is known as a slut.

As I said, let the offended do something about it by changing their image and not accepting those that do

Skid Row Joe · #59 04-08-2009, 11:40 PM

United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF)

Believe me.......WE can handle these illegals with water dripping from their wet backs!!!

Gurkha · #60 04-09-2009, 12:52 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Present-day_countries_of_origin

Present-day countries of origin

In March 2006 the Pew Hispanic Center (PHC) estimated the illegal population ranged from 11.5 to 12 million individuals[8], a number supported by the US Government Accountability Office (GAO)[9]. Of these 12 million, 57% of illegal immigrants originate from Mexico, 24% are from other Latin American countries, 9% originate stem from various parts of Asia, 6% come from Europe and Canada, and 4% from the other parts of the world.

Of course Mexico being border its expected their numbers to surpass others due to easy access.