of course not: you seem to have an above average income. Try being a wage earner in a border state or interior state with an abundance of illegals. Say a carpenter, a roofer, a laborer. Try to live on the prevailing wages paid to illegals, who can get by with paltry sums because they live 10-12 to a 3 bedroom house...Then try to raise your family the best that you can. The American dream has been stripped away from those folks, be they black, white, hispanic or asian...

of course, I bet you get a good deal on yard work and a cleaning girl....

Yeah, this concept of rules and laws is pretty boring and has no relevance to anyone. But the circus is coming to town this weekend. I hear they have fresh bread.

If the nation has laws and is too weak to enforce them, does anything else matter?

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Parker CO demographics latest data 2000

White 92.6% vs Colorado 82.8%

Black 1% vs Colorado 3.8%

Asian 1.7% vs Colorado 2.3%

Other 5.1% vs Colorado 10%

American Indian 0.5 % vs Colorado 1%

Hispanic 5.8% vs Colorado 17.1% (could be any race)


http://www.parkeronline.org/documents/Community/Chapter%201%20-%20Community%20Profile.PDF

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No specific data on illegals!

Try finding someone to work at a fast food restaurant for $8/hour in many parts of this country. I think blaming illegal immigration for the current economic conditions is just a little too simplistic. The "american dream" is something you create for yourself by getting off your butt and getting an education and/or a job (in another part of the country or the world, if necessary). This issue is a red herring.

umm, no it is not. not everyone can be or is cut out to be a college or even high school graduate, nor is that desirable. why cut out the most unable to find meaningful work by hiring an illegal who will work for less than the legal wage? we are disenfranchising an entire part of our citizenry

The stressing of the infrastructure also a red herring?

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As I asked, before. If a country cannot create laws that it can enforce, what else can you expect? If you advertise you are ripe for the picking, how much more stupid can you get and still should be around?

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I'm not talking about the town of parker. I know that I live in a white-bread suburb (actually I live in an unincorporated portion of the county, near parker), I'm talking about the entire area. There are significant illegal immigrants in the area and there have been several high profile raids of businesses around denver in recent years. I also assume that good data on illegal immigrates would not be available. What's the point?

I don't know, federal laws don't concern me very much.

Perhaps they should quit relying on the government to let them know the minimum wage they're allowed to work for.

Well, if you think it's important then you should try to find a political candidate (of any party) that agrees and see if you can help him get elected. Maybe your guy can figure out how to get them kicked out or made legal. My guess is that it will be difficult generating much national interest in the issue. Maybe you can get that disenfranchised citizenry to show up and vote for your guy.

ah..the ridicule dialectic....clever

Actually, I'm serious. If you think it's a big deal, go do something about it. I just don't see it as a priority.

So when you say "here" you don't mean where you actually are; you really mean some other place that you actually aren't? Or you use the word "here" when you really mean everywhere else, including where you actually are? Without good data how do you know there are "plenty" or "significant" illegals "here", "there", or "everywhere"?

Oh, I see, they get them illegally. Does one have to 'cross the border' to do that? I mean, anyone can do that, right? Your OP seems to be saying they "get" an SS card like it was some sort of thing waiting for them. The real truth, which I am sure is something that terrifies you, is that an illegal alien cannot legally obtain a Social Security Card in the US, and is liable to the same sort of prison terms that you stated they would only get in Mexico or Cuba, etc. So the entire premise of this hoax is a lie, is it not? If you cross the US border, and obtain and use a fraudulent SS Card, will not be "thrown into a prison to rot" here as well?

Now let's go on to Food Stamps. Perhaps you can provide some proof that illegals qualify for Food Stamps? Here is the official government website:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/rules/Memo/2002/POLIMGRT.HTM

Obviously, illegal aliens cannot legally qualify for Food Stamps, can they? Once again, your post has another lie. If they obtain them fraudulently, aren't the subject to the same jail terms you claim only apply to Mexico?

You ready for "illegals quailify for welfare"? Another lie?