^^ Ahh, ah, it is Dems who don't get messages. Conservatives always get the message. Such as in Nov. '08 when Ds took the WH, House and Senate.

Based on subsequent remarks, the message they got was, "this will not stand," "he wasn't born here," "Reid and Pelosi are ruining the nation," etc. Any mention of the fact that their baby boy for 8 years left the nation in a shambles is met with hooting and 'oh, they're stuck on blaming Bush.' What, did the Bush family buy the patent for Teflon? Nothing sticks to the guy. As of late Jan. '09, everything was Obama's fault, and since he hasn't fixed it yet, he's the worst president ever.

Cover yourselves in glory.

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from 2006:
In 2006, Mr. Obama struck a high moral tone in opposing legislation to raise the debt ceiling. “Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that `the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better,” he said on the Senate floor.

Harry Reid---ditto
Why is it right to increase our nation's dependence on foreign creditors?” Reid said on March 16, 2006. “Democrats won't be making an argument to support this legalization, which will weaken our country.

Now, there may be principles involved in raising, or not raising the debt ceiling, but clearly, and by their own words, the dems, in 2006 were engaged in a simple political move to hurt the repubs.
I decried the debt then, I an consistent.
Too bad our democrat leaders are not similarly principled.

How can anyone trust anything they say, or even the reasons they give--They are shown to be pure political animals--unfit to lead or govern.

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Some truth to what you say. However, I find it reasonable to assail increased debt while realizing that any hint of default or decrease in credit-worthiness will be very costly to the nation. If the cost of our current debt goes up, it will be that much harder to stay on top of things and take concrete steps to bring debt and deficit down.

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I did see that. I thought you were talking about a more recent flip-flop.

No good explanation on that one. The best Obama can do is to say that he was young and foolish then.That's a stretch. By that standard, who would be left to run the country?

Fortunately, we don't have to rely on them to know that we should not play games with the debt ceiling. It was wrong then and it is even wronger now because of our precarious economic situation.

Is it really your belief that the election of 2008 represented an embrace of Democrats? I don't think so. I think the shortest explanation was that 2008 was a total rejection of the ruling party from the previous 8 years. In 8 years nearly everybody had found something to hate about them.

That does not suggest or imply an embrace of Democrat political philosophy. The Democrats, in their hubris, thought the voters finally loved them. WRONG.

The voters *****-slapped the caddish Democrats in 2010. A reminder that rejection of "A" is not embrace of "B".

The Repos are in danger of mistaking 2010 for a re-embrasure of their excesses. WRONG. Rejection of "B" is not embrasure of "A".

Now would be a great time for somebody to step into the muddle and tell them the truth about what the voters REALLY think of the lot of them. It is not what they want to hear.

B

i think the oligarchy and its handpuppets (dems, repubs, et al) don't really care what the other 90% of the country says, feels, does, etc. ryan advances extreme ideas, and the "other side" makes concessions, and the goal posts move further to the "haves". beware of the "moderates"; they're just as worrisome as the 'extremists".

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