If you can't find common ground does that mean one of you is stupid or a dupe?

I don't think so.

Gosh I sure hope I did not say or imply that.

I hope I said he and I look at the same scene and see it differently.

If he had made factual claims or supplied referenced links I could go farther.

I heard him say, "this is how I see it."

I said, OK here are half-a-dozen factual claims, references, links.

I can't do much more after that.

Heck, I started my post saying Honus, my friend.

Oh hell, Marc Antony started in a similar vein. Then look what happened.

I tried to find links to support my recollection about the Times and the Post being Bush's lap dogs, but mostly what I found were left-wing websites saying the same thing without providing any good links. The one website that I thought would help - www.dailyhowler.com - won't let me search its archives. When I try a search, it gives a message saying that I need to jump through some hoops on my computer to make the search work. Life is too short for that, so I will just say that I distinctly recall my disgust at the Post's editorial page (the one on the left side of the paper, not the page with all the various columnists) and its support for the invasion of Iraq. It wasn't just their conclusion that offended, it was the way they stretched to reach it. The Times, of course, printed the embarrassing Judith Miller coverage of the case for the war. Here's an article about that: http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/

I only read the Times every now and then, so I can't really say whether it's reputation as a left-leaning paper is deserved. Its coverage of Iraq, however, shows that whatever left-leaning tendencies it has, those tendencies get pushed to the side when they see an opportunity to get an edge on the competition.

Beyond that, I don't have much else to offer.

I have no idea what Botnst is talking about with the stuff about whether one of us is stupid or a dupe.

That's OK.

I'm trying to figure out who is Marc Anthony, who is Cleopatra, who is J. Caesar and I guess where the asp is located. Anyway I'll look at your comments.

As far as I am concerned we're doing fine.

We're good man, don't worry about it.

It's getting to be my bed-time.

Bush is a mystery to me.

Don't know how it made it where he did.

Take care.

I was reading y'all's dialogue and recognized its genuineness without the seeming necessity of name-calling and accusations of indoctrination.

How is it possible?

I suppose Honus dosen't think that I'm out to get him, just listening, thinking and speaking.

And he's comfortable enough with himself that we can talk about stuff without being concerned that something dreadful is going occur.

I mean if people stay within the bounds of propriety and decency why can't we talk about all sorts of stuff?

Worthy people can die for a poor cause. It's not the job of soldiers to play politics -- it's the job of politicians not to misuse those soldiers.

Tell me what were their names. Tell me what were their names.
Did you have a friend on the good Rueben James?
Tell me what were their names. Tell me what were their names.
Did you have a friend on the good Rueben James?

Well, many years have passed since those brave men are gone.
And those cold, icey waters are still and they're calm.
Many years have passed, but still I wonder why

The worst of men must fight, and the best of men must die.



http://www.defense.gov/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=14728

Politics. Politics.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/08/photo-of-obama-saluting-fallen-troops-questioned/1

I agree, neither side is all good or all bad.
But we do have to make judgments on an individual basis.
I was not trying to paint any group with a broad brush.
I was trying to understand how someone could believe that large corporations could be considered a liberal idea.

What is this "wealth creation" you seem to hold above the concept of compassion ?

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It is funny you said that.
Hopefully you can figure this one out on your own.

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Bush got much more of a honeymoon than Obama. There was some friction before 9/11 but nothing like the wall of NO that was erected for Obama in Jan. '09. Bush sowed the seeds of the opposition to him many times. Rarely has a guy less qualified risen to that sort of power, here anyway.

On Obama, Republicans have lost their minds. The other twist regarding the Dover story was that a WH photog took a photo of Obama saluting at the ceremony - word is the Pentagon did not allow press coverage of the event at the request of 19 of the 31 families involved. A real tempest in a teapot:

http://articles.boston.com/2011-08-10/ae/29872885_1_releases-photos-media-coverage-pentagon

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Succinct, clear, on point.
Well said.

I agree with this but at some point, the moral compass of the average person is the last safeguard against tyranny or at least folly. One (possibly) will be called upon oneday to answer for what one has done.

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