So?

And you were? That doesn't seem to stop you giving your opinion.

I learned that from you. You were not at many of the more colorful decisions Bush II made and I am certain someone of your Oh so incredibly high caliber was NOT privy to ALL the information he was nor were you even qualified to run as President but you managed to whine about that too.

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Statements by the president of the UC and by the UC Davis are not my opinion. Both presidents were appalled by the actions of police and placed the police chief and the 2 so-called officers in question on suspension.
"Free speech is part of the DNA of this university, and non-violent protest has long been central to our history," UC President Mark G. Yudof said in a statement Sunday in response to the spraying of students sitting passively at Davis. "It is a value we must protect with vigilance".
Whine away.

Meaning what? Are you trying to say that people have never been fired, aka thrown under the bus when things went south? If this didn't hit the fan, would both presidents have stepped forward and said the same thing? What exactly did they say that gave you the opinion that these people weren't doing what the picture said they were? As I said, keep your protests as they should be and you won't have an issue with cops having to move you. Is that really difficult?

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I graduated from U.C. Davis in 1970.

The campus Police were pretty mellow.

The Sheriff, City of Davis Police and the Justice of the Peace were mean bastards and HATED students.

They ran speed traps along Russell Blvd. outside the campus, and nailed students for speeding. The last week of August, pre-registration, was pure heaven for them, too. They wrote speeding tix like mad. That little gig netted them $50,000 a year, enough to balance the budget of the entire City of Davis for a year.

The JP had never even gone to College and he hated students, and convicted every student foolish enough to protest the tickets.

I got one, too: For going 27 mph in a 25 mph zone (Russell Blvd) in my 1964 Chevy Chevelle in 1967.

We had a student in our campus dorm (Nova House) who got caught by the cops with ONE SINGLE marijuana cigarette.

The Yolo County sheriff arrested the guy and hauled him away.

Stuck him in a jail cell with a murderer.

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The statements of the president of UC and UC Davis are available online to those who don't understand the issue.

Or care about what they have to say. Look at the picture and tell me what you see. I see a bunch of people blocking a path and refusing to move. As I said, assemble and say what you wish. Don't disrupt others around you. Since you cared enough to read it, I just need to know two simple things.

1. Does anything they say state that what is in the pic is untrue?
2. Did the cop come out of nowhere and spray them or ask them to stop blocking the path before spraying?

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How this fits into the thread is that you are throwing around how you are disgusted with these people because they "broke the law". I take it you've never went over the speed limit in your life?

But my main point is that the pepper spray was obviously excessive. The students were peacefully protesting. So why can't cops pepper spray speeders if they can pepper spray people not harming anyone? Where is the line drawn?

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What's your point? They INTENTIONALLY caused a disruption and refused to move. Had he gone over the speed limit, he'd have been ticketed and paid the price. Had he resisted the officer, he'd pay the price and then some. Again, what is your point with that question?

Did the protesters cooperate when told to stop blocking? Seems not according to the picture or do you disagree? Did the speeder in your example cooperate? If both did, nobody should be sprayed. If either didn't, spray and moved should be an option. When I was pulled over, I didn't get lippy with the officer, refuse to cooperate when given an order. Sat in my car till told to get out and take sobriety tests or whatever. Had I refused, who do I blame if I get tasered and/or sprayed and/or tossed in the back of the police car and dragged down to jail? I put my hands on the wheel at 10 and 2 O'clock, wait for the orders and only answer questions with "Yes, Sir" or "No, Sir" and more words as necessary. I don't fraternize with him/her, argue, call names, etc, etc. When given an order, I cooperate and only leave when told to.

Did I get pulled over on a trumped up reason once? Sure. Had to sit in the just started (freezing cold) car while they waited for the dogs and they found nothing. Did I argue with them? Nope. Was it my right to make a complain tomorrow? Absolutely.

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aklim, were the students resisting arrest? Were they even being placed under arrest?

From what I understand, the police were called in to remove "equipment" consisting of camping gear.

What is the difference between this and an abortion clinic protester who peacefully exercises his right to assemble and his freedom of speech by blocking the entrance or parking lot, chaining himself to your door, etc, etc? I don't see any. Do you?

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Then what would be an acceptable way for the police to have removed the peaceful protest from the premises?

When you break the law, you have to be willing to suffer the consequences. The line is drawn exactly the way we've seen it in this thread. You resist the officers order to relocate, you get sprayed. Just like if you resist pulling over when the red and blue come on in the rear view, you have a GLOCK 17 pointed in your face and forceful removal from the car. Your analogy was a joke.

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People tend to get misty eyed over these creeps. They look at some of the better images of the past where some people have done similar things with good results and say it should be allowed. You can look at the Boston Tea Party and say "well, if we hadn't rebelled and fought a bloody war, we'd still be colonial citizens. OTOH, who is to say things wouldn't have evolved on their own, albeit taking more time but still get there?

In the case of the Tea Party, we, the oppressed, threw off the big bully oppressor that was England. Today, we celebrate that event. However, lets pause and ask ourselves this. Had McVeigh succeeded in getting the people to rise up and throw the shackles off from the oppressive corrupt govt (The US Govt), formed a new country from the revolution and installed a govt the way he thought would be right, what do you think the people 200 years from that might think of him? Perhaps as a visionary or a hero or both and look back with misty eyes at his rebellion which forced a change for the better.

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Yes, I do. If the protestors were "resisting arrest" it creates a risk of harm to the officers, and reasonable force is justified to prevent injury. Where was the "risk of injury" to the LEO at the campus scene? Further, where are the circumstances that would warrant any use of force, certainly non-lethal, by the LEO? Was property at risk or physical harm to others imminent?

An apparently poorly trained officer made a bad decision at the scene of a peaceful demonstration, that's what I see. It's not much different that the actions of Inspector Anthony Bologna (yes, I think that's his real name) who pepper sprayed a group of women at OWS in NYC, when they were confined to a police holding area.

Aklim, still no position on whether the students were being placed under arrest and resisting? No comment about the police objective?

So let me understand this. You see a difference between a bunch of peaceful protesters who chain themselves to the door, hold a "sit in" at the doctor's parking lot or make it difficult for patients to go into the clinic? how so? Besides that you may not like what they are doing?

Well, a sprayed perp is going to be more easy to move. There is always risk when you move someone especially when they don't want to be moved. Ask any RN or CNA and they will tell you that moving a body can lead to injury. And we are talking about compliant patients. What more non-compliant as they clearly have demonstrated.

What do you want? Do you believe they cannot discern that they are NOT supposed to do what they did? Do you believe they were given a legal order to stop blocking? If they are retarded, I would withdraw my comments but I think they knew what they were doing when they refused to budge. Do you believe they have the right to camp out there?

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aklim, as with previous discussions with you, I can only go so far to define and explain my position, and yet seemingly fail to properly communicate it to you. So, at this point, I shall leave my posts as testiment to my position, as yours will likewise.