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Da Nag · #**196** 11-24-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I would hope that I taught my kid better than to protest something he has no clue about.

Ah yes...the self-ascribed wisdom of condescending elders.

I remember how well I took to that as a teen.

Da Nag · #**197** 11-24-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Why did they have to be removed?

Give the man a cigar.

Now, for those of you claiming the cops' actions were the proper and safest way to achieve their goals - here's a question for extra credit.

Given the public outcry and the certainty of protests and demonstrations that will now follow nationwide, describe how the actions taken by law enforcement at UC Davis were in the best long-term interest of everyone's safety - LEO's and protesters alike.

spdrun · #**198** 11-24-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I've worked as a physics tutor and handyman at my respective college, as well as interned for Sikorsky and Yale Med School. I can assure you I have no insight on the business accumen of today. Underlings don't count as a CFO.

I wasn't working for the college as an employee, nor as an intern. I was giving my services to entities that had zero to do with the college as an incorporated contractor. College jobs paid $7-8/hr. These were summer gigs in NYC that paid ... much better

elchivito · #**199** 11-24-2011, 08:27 PM

Matt Taibbi sums up my feelings pretty succinctly.

UC Davis Pepper-Spray Incident Reveals Weakness Up Top | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

Chris Bell · #**200** 11-24-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

These ****** cops need to not only lose their jobs, they need to be in jail for assault. The chicken***** university head needs the same punishment, or maybe a good dose of pepper spray by one of her police force. Outrageous, utterly uncalled for, criminal.

Desperately seeking their Kent state moment.

elchivito · #**201** 11-24-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

Desperately seeking their Kent state moment.

Yeah, I think so. Those poor cops were wishing they were National Guard troops.

aklim · #**202** 11-24-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I would hope that I taught my kid better than to protest something he has no clue about. At 22 years old max as an undergraduate, I'd like to say s/he wouldn't have a slightest clue about how business works. But if s/he were intellectual enough to protest the 1%, without business know-how, then I hope they get intimate with the business end of a spray bottle.

I ain't raising a bleeding heart.

It isn't an issue of protesting about something they know or don't know. You should have the right to protest anything you want as long as you do it within the prescribed limits. If you wish to protest abortion and you are not knowledgeable about it, go for it anyways. HOWEVER, keep it within the legal limits

MTUpower · #**203** 11-24-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Nag

Give the man a cigar.

Now, for those of you claiming the cops' actions were the proper and safest way to achieve their goals - here's a question for extra credit.

Given the public outcry and the certainty of protests and demonstrations that will now follow nationwide, describe how the actions taken by law enforcement at UC Davis were in the best long-term interest of everyone's safety - LEO's and protesters alike.

Blocking public right of way or other certain areas is against the law. If the area where they were fell into one of these then the police are charged by society to tell them they cannot do this. If asked to move and they do not, the public is hurt; this is according to our laws. Don't like it? Change the law. It's your society.

Extra credit: If law breakers see they can disregard the enforcement component of the law then they will continue to break the law- it's not rocket science. If they see they will not be allowed and the law will be enforced quickly and with out prejudice there will be less people willing to break the law and instead work on the issues in a legal manner. It's better for society to stop and prohibit law breakers as efficiently as possible. Do you propose we not enforce the law in cases which you feel enforcement is not needed? It's not only the safety of everyone in society here, it's the rights of everyone also- including the rights of those which are affected by mobs which refuse to disperse.

aklim · #**204** 11-24-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Why did they have to be removed?

Even in places where they have camping allowed, you can't simply camp anywhere you want. Was the campus a designated camping area? I think not. Did they seek permission? I think not. When asked legally to move, did they comply? Again, no.

PaulC · #**205** 11-24-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

Desperately seeking their Kent state moment.

You believe that these kids wanted to be shot dead?

aklim · #**206** 11-24-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Nag

Given the public outcry and the certainty of protests and demonstrations that will now follow nationwide, describe how the actions taken by law enforcement at UC Davis were in the best long-term interest of everyone's safety - LEO's and protesters alike.

It isn't. Not because the tactic was a failure but the people howled and the university caved in and tossed the cops under the bus. Dad punishes you and you appeal to Grandpa who pushes for Dad to rescind the punishment. You can't blame the punishment for failing to teach you a lesson.

Da Nag · #**207** 11-24-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Extra credit: If law breakers see they can disregard the enforcement component of the law then they will continue to break the law- it's not rocket science. If they see they will not be allowed and the law will be enforced quickly and with out prejudice there will be less people willing to break the law and instead work on the issues in a legal manner.

Oh puhleeeeeeze...

According to this whacked logic, we'll see a reduction in similar protests.

You a betting man? I'll even give you nice odds.

PaulC · #**208** 11-24-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Even in places where they have camping allowed, you can't simply camp anywhere you want. Was the campus a designated camping area? I think not. Did they seek permission? I think not. When asked legally to move, did they comply? Again, no.

I'm not quite accepting the camping analogy, as clearly it was a protest, not an attempt to pitch a tent and toast marshmallows. If they were left to their own devices, how long would they have sat upon that sidewalk? Until dinnertime? Until commencement of their next class? What would have been wiser from the university's perspective: to be patient for awhile and let this situation fizzle out, or to have some fatarse strut around with a can of pepper spray while his actions were being recorded by approximately 50 smartphone cams?

Do you think that the police would have handled this situation differently if they forsaw the fallout from this debacle? Do you believe that the police have zero discretion as to how and when to apply the law under these circumstances?

aklim · #**209** 11-24-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Nag

Oh puhleeeeeeze...

According to this whacked logic, we'll see a reduction in similar protests.

You a betting man? I'll even give you nice odds.

We would have a good bet going if the officials had held the line but since they didn't and tossed the cops under the bus, what is the point of the bet? I'll bet that after this,it gets worse. Why? Because they know that the cops will be hamstrung.