E. Asian Students ahead of the class - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Kuan · #46 02-19-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

I suppose that's how stereotypes, in general, work and perpetuate.

Jeremy Lin baby.

retmil46 · #47 02-19-2012, 01:52 PM

I'd also submit, that in this country at least, school has become looked upon as "free" public day care in more ways than one - such that both parents are free to work while little Johnny is in school - or are forced to work because the corporate world has taken advantage of the situation and lowered wages to the point such that the "single income" household is now a rarity, and the parents have no choice but for both of them to enter the workforce to make ends meet.

I remember watching on C-SPAN many years ago a discussion on employer-provided day care - that the reason many employers eagerly adopted this, was that they could then lower wages to the point such that BOTH parents were forced to seek employment - IOW it was "cost-effective" from a business standpoint.

MTI · #48 02-19-2012, 02:05 PM

How are "special needs" children handled in Asian schools?

layback40 · #49 02-19-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

How are "special needs" children handled in Asian schools?

True "special needs" students are handled well in most school systems.
Its the ones that try & say they are special needs when they are not that give the genuine ones problems.
A student off their face on meth has no place in any education system apart from what is offered in a penitentiary. These sorts need exclusion not inclusion !!
We have members on here with children with genuine disabilities, it is clear from their postings that they see the school as a place for development of their child's education.
Teenage day care & parental respite should not be considered part of the education process.
For far too long behavioral problems have been lumped in with medical/physical disabilities.
What is the incidence of ADHD in chilcutt's part of the world? Very low ? Only genuine cases. Attention seeking behavior is soon knocked out of them.

kerry · #50 02-19-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

It has nothing to do with Reagan, Capitalism, or Meritocracy. It has to do with the old liberal idiocy of were all equal, which neither capitalism nor meritocracy espouse.

- Peter.

No, it has to do with the capitalist/meritocracy idea that if opportunities are equal, large social disparities are justified. If people aren't thought to be equal to begin with, the idea of a uniform school system wouldn't be necessary.

MTUpower · #51 02-19-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

No, it has to do with the capitalist/meritocracy idea that if opportunities are equal, large social disparities are justified. If people aren't thought to be equal to begin with, the idea of a uniform school system wouldn't be necessary.

Are all people equal? Can you name a society in the history of man that has everyone equal?

aklim · #52 02-19-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Are all people equal? Can you name a society in the history of man that has everyone equal?

Not even in a family is everything equal.

MTI · #53 02-19-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

True "special needs" students are handled well in most school systems.

Do you have specific knowledge about special needs education in Singapore or Shanghai?

MTI · #54 02-19-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Are all people equal? Can you name a society in the history of man that has everyone equal?

Some are "more equal than others."

pj67coll · #55 02-19-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

No, it has to do with the capitalist/meritocracy idea that if opportunities are equal, large social disparities are justified. If people aren't thought to be equal to begin with, the idea of a uniform school system wouldn't be necessary.

Capitalism in this context is a red herring. It has nothing to do with education. The idea of meritocracy, that is you achieve whatever you will by dint of your own efforts and some will win and others will lose is inherently competitive. It implies winners and losers which is the natural human condition and something liberals in general, or the western liberal education system in particular - finds anathema.

- Peter.

pj67coll · #56 02-19-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

I suppose that's how stereotypes, in general, work and perpetuate.

Nothing wrong with stereotypes. They have a high degree of accuracy. That's why they persist. Political correctness not withstanding.

- Peter.

elchivito · #57 02-20-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LarryBible

Yes, wouldn't it be a shame to have the hard working, successful student be recognized for it. It would be terrible to see the lazy, slow student NOT be recognized for doing nothing.

That's the way the libs look at it.

Either I'm not a "lib", or you're wrong again. Not all lazy students are slow, and most certainly not all slow students are lazy.

aklim · #58 02-20-2012, 08:49 AM

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Either I'm not a "lib", or you're wrong again. Not all lazy students are slow, and most certainly not all slow students are lazy.

Doesn't matter either way. Move them aside for those that are at least willing and able to learn. Should the lazy ones decide to re-visit education at some other date, let them resume. At least, at that point, while you have a 25 yo man in a class of 15 yo kids, you have a willing student who will not drag down everyone with his antics and make the teacher his glorified baby sitter.

Kuan · #59 02-20-2012, 09:40 AM

Like I said. All these students become average once they enter the workforce.

aklim · #60 02-20-2012, 10:09 AM

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Like I said. All these students become average once they enter the workforce.

One would hope so but without a good foundation, I would wonder how you achieve the lofty position of average. During school, a lot of attitudes are formed and without some strong force to change that, Newton's Law of Inertia also applies.

From an employer standpoint, who do you think I will hire, all things being reasonably equal? You with your 3.5 GPA or Joe with his 2.1 GPA? Assuming I hire both, I know who I will groom for better things in life. Both of us might be graduates of the RN program but if I have a BSN and you have as Associate Degree, guess who will be tapped for promotion if we are about the same?

Good attitudes and foundation is essential for future endeavors. It doesn't simply end with the HS exam