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pj67coll · #46 04-26-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Mrs B teaches at an elem school. I raised 3 kids. I have 3 grandchildren.

Next.

Interesting. One of us must be inhabbiting an alternate universe then.

- Peter.

Botnst · #47 04-26-2012, 03:43 PM

Probably both.

.... and no, I don't hang around elementary schools.

TylerH860 · #48 04-26-2012, 04:46 PM

I've posted before about my college experience. An absolute waste. It was a parental mandate, and I remember my high school principal bragging at the graduation ceremony that 98% percent of my class was going to college. I was shocked. So many can't put together a coherent sentence, and they're going to college?

I scored really well on the ACT. My parent's income made any kind of financial aid impossible. I went to class and coasted through. I had no idea what I wanted to do, thus no motivation. The majority had such terrible reading comprehension, writing skills, etc. It forced the everything to be dumbed down. I completely lost interest, quit the business school because I was so bored and couldn't get a math teacher that spoke English as a first language, and switched to a silly LAS degree.

Most of my classes were taught by graduate students, or with heavy involvement of a TA. There was a huge disparity in pay between long time professors with very bloated salaries versus the new and less experienced getting paid less than minimum wage to compensate. Of course there were some bright spots, but I saw the system as a whole completely flawed. So many fluff classes I had no interest in learning or re-learning. Almost all of my general classes I had learned once or twice over in middle and high school. Why the hell was I paying to learn it again with a bunch of morons?

Public schools should be providing a good general education for students, not college.

Txjake · #49 04-27-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I'l bet you already know what I'm going to write, don't you? I'll bet you are wrong.

I favor public education. In contrast to my general laissez faire/libertarian views, I think public education is an inherent organ of government. It should be strictly secular and it should be free to all students and paid for strictly by taxes only. Funding should be per student. All teachers paid the same base with incentives for certain academic areas and incentives for entering poorly performing school.s It is such an important function that everybody should pay for public education, whether or not they send their kids to public school.

I have more, but that ought wind your clock.

agree, completely

Txjake · #50 04-27-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Higher ed is where I go back to laissez faire. I think there should be completely open admission in all publicly funded higher ed: If you have the financing and want to give it a shot, give it what ya got. Darwin's boney hands sift the chaff from the wheat.

I hate public funding for private education -- at any level. It dissipates public dollars on what should be private enterprise. If your ivy league can't survive without public funds, then you are a publicly funded institution and some pol gets to tell you what to do.

another complete agreement

Carleton Hughes · #51 04-27-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Probably both.

.... and no, I don't hang around elementary schools.

True story but a tad morbid.
Back in the '70's a kid hung himself in the boiler room of my school.

Whenever anyone asked about him we said he got suspended.

Txjake · #52 04-27-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

True story but a tad morbid.
Back in the '70's a kid hung himself in the boiler room of my school.

Whenever anyone asked about him we said he got suspended.

he must have reached the end of his rope....

layback40 · #53 04-27-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

he must have reached the end of his rope....

No, just fell off his chair.

spdrun · #54 04-27-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

you'll, like, totally be workin' with a bunch of chicks dude, man...

Speaking for myself, I'm happy to work WITH..., but I'd never want to work FOR.... Yeah, there I said it

spdrun · #55 04-27-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Same story here in Harford County, Maryland (NE of Baltimore City). Both at the HS, and CC level, auto shops have been discontinued. I cannot comment on the male/female leadership as a cause, but it seems plausible. Besides, the entire culture is more feminized than a few generations ago, and that is probably a natural thing.

"Gangbang Interviews" and "Bikini Shots": Silicon Valley

Fortunately, society is fighting back. Note that I don't see the above article as a "problem" rather as a correction.

Carleton Hughes · #56 04-27-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by layback40

No, just fell off his chair.

He failed music but finally found the right chord.

Botnst · #57 04-27-2012, 06:52 PM

OMG Carleton!

Carleton Hughes · #58 04-30-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

OMG Carleton!

Well, think about it. It was such a horrendous episode that the only way many of us kids could deal with it was by laughing at it, the old gallows humor....which I consider a very healthy thing.

The Clk Man · #59 04-30-2012, 10:59 AM

This thread has me hot under the "collar" and a bit "Choked" up.

Graplr · #60 04-30-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

All teachers paid the same base with incentives for certain academic areas and incentives for entering poorly performing school.s

I agree with most of what you have said but how do you propose that teachers would enter the profession or even more so stay in the profession if there were no salary raises?

Unless the teachers are starting out at a very high salary I don't see how paying a first year teacher the same as someone who is a very competent teacher would work.

I do agree that salary reform for teachers could use some revamping but I don't see the logic behind this??