He says that his critics "don't get it." Nope, HE doesn't get that there's such a thing as the US Constitution, and as a public official, he's bound to uphold it rather than violating it.

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The more money you have, the more laws you can thumb.

he keeps making one he** of a case to discourage people from visiting the Big Apple.

Here's an idea: Shall issue concealed carry.

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No thanks in NYC -- I can see a car backfiring or a bridge plate snapping back and having 100 numbskulls with guns waving around.

Unconstitutional police searches and gun laws are entirely separate issues. Speaking of laws, I wouldn't mind seeing shall-issue gun licenses (they're not currently shall-issue in NYC, solely at police discretion). But I don't think that carry permits should be given out without due cause in a crowded city.

I'm fine with people keeping a weapon for home defense, business defense, or to go hunting outside of the city. But keep them where they belong, not carried on the street. Concealed carry should be limited to people who handle large amounts of cash, or have a specific threat to their lives.

What's appropriate in rural Texas, Vermont, or Arizona isn't necessarily appropriate in NY City.

For once i agree with spd.

The closeness of the population and general aggro of the metro experience makes me glad that access and carry laws are in effect. I work in many areas where safety is sometimes at a premium and have seen normal aggro go orbital in less than 30 seconds. If a gun was available, there would be a serious problem.

I haven't run into anything a 5 cell Maglite upside the head cannot handle.

The issue in most places isn't gun control it is gun owner training. 99% of the folks who pack and swagger don't spend enough time at the range to be able to hit what they aim at. I have been behind a car, ducking for cover, thanks to some 20 year old ******* who thinks he is Chow Yung Fat or Steven Sagal and busts thru a 17 round clip at his target 20 feet away and hits everything but the lottery and misses his target.

I have also seen NYPD put an armed perp down at 40 feet with a double tap. But then NYPD is required to spend time at the range each month and twice yearly on the "Dark Alley" range (similar to FBI "Shooters Alley").

NYC concieled carry requires the owner go thru NYPD Range training and monthly range time.

What is required elsewhere?

Nothing required here. Pretty scary. Get yerself a cheap pistol and a shoot me first shirt and you're all set. We have a ccw license, which can now be obtained thru an online class that costs 50 bucks and takes about a half hour, but you don't need the card to conceal. A ccw lets you conceal in a few places where you can't without it. Bars for example. The ccw also makes it simpler on paperwork when buying a gun from a store or pawnshop, but since everybody and his brother has a gun for sale, who needs stores?

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Well said!

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NYPD has also fired 41 shots at an "perp" armed with nothing but a cell phone, missed him with half the shots, but still murdered him. Don't be so quick to praise all of them.

Well jeez, who'd a thunk it? Strong gun laws and low ownership rates = fewer gun deaths.

VPC - The Violence Policy Center - Massachusetts Has Lowest Gun Death Rate in Nation (4/23/2012)

Having said that, stop and frisk sounds like profiling to me. No thank you. NY's rate is already pretty low, why start this now?

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I have a feeling Bloomberg would have gotten along very well with Mussolini.

So when are NY voters going to smarten up and vote this fascist dictator out?

As long as the trains run on time and not to many murders happen what does it matter what a silly thing like the Constitution says?

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Problem is that stop-and-frisk only happens to about 20-25% of the city's population. If it truly happened at random, Bloomberg would have been out on his scrawny a$$ 7 years ago and enjoying an indefinite vacation in Bermuda along with Ray Kelly.

CCW in Denver does not even require that the carrier ever have fired a gun.

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Most Cops can shoot better than most civilians.

Trade places with the Street cops and you might have done the same.

The words "Freeze" and "Don't Move" seem to be misunderstood by a lot of people. I have had a Kansas Trooper put a .40 cal S&W in my ear thru a car window because I looked just like Suspect #2 the day after the OKC Bombing. I DID EXACTLY WHAT HE TOLD ME TO DO. He never apologized for his actions and I did not expect him to. He is a Cop and saw what he thought was a wanted fugitive. My job was to DO EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED and NOTHING ELSE.

It is a 2 way street. If you are told not to do something by a person or persons holding deadly force over you, your chances of staying ALIVE are to do EXACTLY what you are told.

I spent a lot of time in places where folks shot at each other all day. Beruit, Ruwanda, East Timor, Bosnia, Croatia, Miami (Overtown), Chicago (Cabrini Green), etc and all I had was a TV Camera, a Press ID and maybe a Stage 3 vest. When I was told by Israeli Defense Force, French Army, UNFOR, Local Militia, Cihcago PD, Miami Cops or some Tango with an AK to STOP, DON'T MOVE, PUT DOWN THE CAMERA, etc...I did EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD ME TO DO.

This action cost me at best 1 hr of my life (average) explaining whet I was doing or erasing a tape or stopped me from walking into a piece of ground shrewn with land mines and once it cost me my BetaCam. IT DID NOT COST ME MY LIFE.

Hands over your head and not reaching for ANYTHING is the BEST WAY TO STAY ALIVE. Wanna be a dead innocent? Move, Twist, Reach in front of a amped up individual holding a weapon who has less than 1 second to make a decision. You will certainly LOSE.

BTW Since the incident you referred to happened over 10 years ago, NYPD went thru a ton of retraining, carries 10 round mags and they switched the trigger springs in their Glock .9mm's from 3 lbs pull to 20 lbs pull (much like the old S&W .38 revolver and less likely to engage the trigger due to a slight squeeze). I have fired both the civilian Glock .9mm and the NYPD Glock .9mm and there is a BIG difference in trigger pull-the NYPD Glock 9 pulls like a P-38 Walther.

Compared to most other cities, NYC Cop Shootings are much lower.

Why didn't you say anything about the 6 cops shot in the past year in NYC? Or the NYPD Officer who took a knife in the head on the job? It is not an easy job to do by any means but if you have a percentage of the population that does not think that a Cop means it when they tell you to FREEZE or STOP or DO NOT MOVE then expect to incur a loss within that popopulation percentage.

Stop and Frisk has also taken TONS of Illegal Handguns OFF the Street. All of these weapons were illegally imported into NYC from areas where guns are sold with minimal bakground checks by FFL holders who knew what they were selling and to exactly to whom they were selling them. I don't see many of them in Jail. But I see a lot of inncocent people dead or hurting from it.

I work with a lot of young men who are classed as minorities and only a few ***** about Stop and Frisk. They realize they bear a stigma because of the actions of similar young men who are simply the same race or color. They have said that it is a small price to pay for a safer neighborhood.

I have also been a subject or Stop and Frisk. I did what they told me to do. Produced ID. Stated why I was where I was and they said "OK Be about your business".

Most Cops can shoot better than most civilians.

Trade places with the Street cops and you might have done the same.

The words "Freeze" and "Don't Move" seem to be misunderstood by a lot of people. I have had a Kansas Trooper put a .40 cal S&W in my ear thru a car window because I looked just like Suspect #2 the day after the OKC Bombing. I DID EXACTLY WHAT HE TOLD ME TO DO. He never apologized for his actions and I did not expect him to. He is a Cop and saw what he thought was a wanted fugitive. My job was to DO EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED and NOTHING ELSE.

It is a 2 way street. If you are told not to do something by a person or persons holding deadly force over you, your chances of staying ALIVE are to do EXACTLY what you are told.

I spent a lot of time in places where folks shot at each other all day. Beruit, Ruwanda, East Timor, Bosnia, Croatia, Miami (Overtown), Chicago (Cabrini Green), etc and all I had was a TV Camera, a Press ID and maybe a Stage 3 vest. When I was told by Israeli Defense Force, French Army, UNFOR, Local Militia, Cihcago PD, Miami Cops or some Tango with an AK to STOP, DON'T MOVE, PUT DOWN THE CAMERA, etc...I did EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD ME TO DO.

This action cost me at best 1 hr of my life (average) explaining whet I was doing or erasing a tape or stopped me from walking into a piece of ground shrewn with land mines and once it cost me my BetaCam. IT DID NOT COST ME MY LIFE.

Hands over your head and not reaching for ANYTHING is the BEST WAY TO STAY ALIVE. Wanna be a dead innocent? Move, Twist, Reach in front of a amped up individual holding a weapon who has less than 1 second to make a decision. You will certainly LOSE.

BTW Since the incident you referred to happened over 10 years ago, NYPD went thru a ton of retraining, carries 10 round mags and they switched the trigger springs in their Glock .9mm's from 3 lbs pull to 20 lbs pull (much like the old S&W .38 revolver and less likely to engage the trigger due to a slight squeeze). I have fired both the civilian Glock .9mm and the NYPD Glock .9mm and there is a BIG difference in trigger pull-the NYPD Glock 9 pulls like a P-38 Walther.

Compared to most other cities, NYC Cop Shootings are much lower.

Why didn't you say anything about the 6 cops shot in the past year in NYC? Or the NYPD Officer who took a knife in the head on the job? It is not an easy job to do by any means but if you have a percentage of the population that does not think that a Cop means it when they tell you to FREEZE or STOP or DO NOT MOVE then expect to incur a loss within that popopulation percentage.

Stop and Frisk has also taken TONS of Illegal Handguns OFF the Street. All of these weapons were illegally imported into NYC from areas where guns are sold with minimal bakground checks by FFL holders who knew what they were selling and to exactly to whom they were selling them. I don't see many of them in Jail. But I see a lot of inncocent people dead or hurting from it.

I work with a lot of young men who are classed as minorities and only a few ***** about Stop and Frisk. They realize they bear a stigma because of the actions of similar young men who are simply the same race or color. They have said that it is a small price to pay for a safer neighborhood.

I have also been a subject or Stop and Frisk. I did what they told me to do. Produced ID. Stated why I was where I was and they said "OK Be about your business".